He becomes the latest shock rocker to share his distaste for gender-affirming care after Dee Snider and Paul Stanley shared similar views.
That’s nice grandpa let’s get you back to bed
Downvoted because this isn’t news, it’s culture war bait.
Who gives a fuck what Alice Cooper thinks?
I don’t care what he thinks, but now that he put it out there, I can’t disassociate him from his shit opinion.
That’s actually a good point. Thank you. We don’t need this rage bait shit.
I feel like trans people and their allies should know who their enemies are and what they’re saying and doing, if only for their own safety.
It is infuriating, and its not the reasoned and insightful conversations about our personally held systems of normative values and the experience and empirical evidence that informs them that I wish we were having instead of these conversations, but I just think it’s irresponsible to turn a blind eye to it because ignoring it won’t make it go away and could let it fester and spread.
I can’t imagine many trans people looking up to a washed up 80s rocker has been, but I guess aside from that I see your point.
I see your point, but Alice Cooper is a washed up old hack. He’s not swinging any votes to DeSantis or anything like that.
For the sake of your mental health it’s important to focus on what matters and ignore that which doesn’t. In my opinion Alice Cooper does not matter and getting outraged by his opinion only distracts you from what’s really important.
Thank you. Also downvoted this shit.
The guy who dresses up and wears makeup…
Was going to comment… for the dude that looks like a crazy cat lady in her 90s that had way too much to drink last night and woke up in a ditch he’s got some weird opinion on this.
so many bigots outing themselves.
This stance seems so off-brand for Dee and Alice. But they are pretty up there in age. I might not want to know my dad’s inner thoughts on this, either, I suppose. Still, for glam rockers raging against oppressive authority, it seems like they would have a more progressive take on this.
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Aw, that’s really disappointing. I always knew Alice Cooper was a Republican but never really dug into Dee Snider, just assuming he was cool from his time telling the PMRC to go fuck themselves. I guess not.
Dee likes to defy categorization, but claims to be both libertarian and centrist. And he has been friends with Donald Trump for a long time, so his early support for Trump’s candidacy pissed off a lot of long-time fans. I think, but I could be wrong, that Snyder walked back his political support for Trump.
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Trump is and always has been a textbook narcissist. He doesn’t have any specific values beyond his own benefit. He supported the Clintons and democrats in New York because doing so was good for him and his business.
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Good thing that that’s not happening. Nobody is shoving anything down anyone’s throats, nor forcing any kid to make life-changing decisions.
(Excluding conservatives and regressives, anyway. And if there are any progressives doing it, they’re in the wrong.)
Nobody is shoving anything down anyone’s throats
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Yeah, but it’s part of the fantasy world they inhabit, and they make voting decisions based on their fantasy world. The fantasy world where liberals cast millions of votes on behalf of dead people (which everyone knows, but no one has ever talked about), can’t spend a week in NYC without getting mugged or gang raped, walk down a sidewalk in San Francisco without stepping in human feces, and where woke parents force their 8-year-olds to have gender surgery.
I wonder how many of these “nice but transphobic” people would revise themselves if they knew that even puberty blockers aren’t OTC, but require extensive therapy and professional counseling. I mean, it’s not a situation many people have direct experience with, so it’s easy to fall for fake stories. Of course, I also wonder how many of them don’t consider psychologists “real doctors” or psychology itself legitimate science.
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“saying that he was “afraid that it’s also a fad”… the star said that he felt children were not mature enough to make major decisions about their gender identity"
You and Cooper both are setting fire to some pretty large strawmen. Standard transphobic tactic.
It’s a take that is based on lies and propaganda.
This is an example of a strawman argument. He’s setting up this very specific idea of what is happening, and taking issue with it, when the vast majority of real world interactions are substantially more nuanced and specific to the kid and their family than the fake scenario put forth.
Get your bullshit concern trolling out of here.
“Morons,” “idiots.” Thanks for your valuable contribution to the conversation.
Noooo, you can’t be mad, you need to read what he’s saying!
[The same old tired ass debunked a million times transphobic bullshit]
A take that hardly anyone would disagree with.
Yeah, disagreed.
Your last sentiment is one I’d agree with. You’d think that any rocker from back in the day that was all about being anti authority would tell people to go out there and do what the fuck they want. Hearing an opinion like this feels off brand lol
I’m pretty sure that whole generation is getting early onset dementia they all went crazy together at about the same time
still, for glam rockers raging against oppressive authority
Did he say he was for the government stopping trans people from making their own choices?
75 y-o shouts at sky.
I haven’t heard Alice Cooper since I stopped listening to the Wayne’s World soundtrack in the 90s. I guess I can continue to not hear him with impunity.
Ok, I’m at the point where I really have to say ‘so what?’ about shit that aging, boomer rock stars of the cocaine fueled past say. Like really who gives a fuck what Alice Cooper thinks? He’s always been a Gene Simmons level asshole main character personality type. He has only ever gotten attention by pissing someone off. This is easy. Let these people drift off into irrelevance. Stop allowing them to matter.
The problem is that no matter how much those of us who know he’s full of shit ignore him, he still has a massive platform and enough people who agree and will lap this shit up, and then do anything from bullying their trans co workers to going on a shooting spree, not to mention legislation that gets supported by these types and the harm it does (E: also, we don’t know that he doesn’t agree with what he’s saying, but even if he claims not to, he’s still throwing trans people under the bus which is an act of transphobia).
I agree that he’s ragebaiting for attention but that doesn’t change the impact of his words.
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I still don’t understand why the trans thing has suddenly become a “problem.”
Because noone cares about homosexuality anymore(it has been mostly normalized), so they need a new target to scream about.
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theyve been on this bullcrap since at least 2016 with all the bathroom crap. we shouldnt be demonizing people over this yet here we are where a massive chunk of the population does just that. when i was a kid it was “what if gae in lockerroom?” bullcrap. im sure at this point in my life ive been in a locker room with a gay person and theyve never been a problem. and if they are its that person who is the issue not the entire lgbtq+ community.
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It’s this. Attacking gay people is no longer acceptable to enough people that conservatives can get away with it as a culture war tact. They’ve moved onto trans people which is more successful because there’s a lot fewer trans people. We’re seeing a LOT of bullshit getting flipped around and making people mad about things they didn’t use to care about. The drag-hate is a good example. Tons of examples from history where drag is supported and now it’s a major battleground? Bullshit. Just another way to find a convenient target for the right to hate.
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gay and poor black people fight back, they want to target a vulnerable minority group that hasn’t been able to fight back yet. as soon as gay and poor black people stop fighting back, they’ll be back on the menu.
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Fascists need enemies and the enemy needs to be both small in number and visibly identifiable.
To approach this from a different angle, I would say this is actually an ironically encouraging sign that we are lurching in a good direction. There’s always going to be some level of racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc., but those things are mainstream enough that you have to be really hard right to beat the drum for them. It’s the kind of thing that might still play in certain areas, and with certain types or demographic, but the mainstream isn’t really down with it. Open pro-trans movements and statements are pretty new compared to these other things, so it’s just the latest in the succession of what-can-I-hate-up that authoritarian types latched onto. I have a feeling we’re lurching – and pretty quickly – toward trans becoming more mainstream
Thank you sincerely for this refreshingly positive take. I needed to read it.
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I still don’t understand why the trans thing has suddenly become a “problem.”
The Tea Party (remember them?) & MAGA have taught the leaders of the conservative movement that they need to constant feed the crazy (that they created) or they’ll get dumped for anyone who is better at whipping up fear, hate, and anger.
if they don’t want to join Jesus in being called weak and liberal, then they need to constantly demonize some vulnerable minority. POCs, lesbians, and gays are not that vulnerable any more, so whose next? Transgender people! hence the "trans thing has suddenly become a “problem.” "
Terfs (particularly lesbian terfs) are the worst examples, they’re bigots desperately trying to get the conservative patriarchial gaze’s approval, but without wanting to out themselves as desperatetly wanting conservative patriarchial gaze’s approval. Bigoted chucklefucks.
Oh shit, an old, irrelevant douchebag said it, so I guess it must be true. Someone put this man in a home, please.
I guess a no-substance shock rocker dude who wears makeup and calls himself Alice would have a take on this subject. Really shitty take though.
Something so many of these folks need to learn is that shutting up is free.
Rich, white, out-of-touch boomer. You used to be relevant, now you’re just the status quo…
Incredibly sad to see Alice Cooper using rote, boring anti-trans talking points, especially the old canard of ‘any man can walk into a woman’s restroom by saying he feels like a woman today,’ which is something I’ve seen online more times than I can count and even heard in person from a few folks almost word-for-word. Don’t be a parrot, Vincent.
A lot of older people feel like this. It’s an opinion that will sooner or later die out. I’m not going to bash people about old views in a world that is changing faster then we can keep up. Progress is slow and steady.
Nah, bashing helps. The divide is good.
Older people need to be told they are wrong and given reasons why. Then they can adapt their views and understand their world better. Those that refuse to adapt should be ostracized. There’s no room for bigots. I’ve been doing this same thing when I was misunderstanding the world and I hope to be adapting until I die.
I don’t know everyone’s personal experiences on the matter but I can’t blame people for wanting to pump the brakes a little when it comes to converting young children. It’s not being a bigot to be concerned over something that is generally new to our society. But I only speak of the medical part of it. I have no issues with gender neutral bathrooms ect… I just honestly don’t know enough about the procedures and outcomes to say I can call someone a bigot for disagreeing.
then educate yourself about it before commenting ffs
pump the brakes a little when it comes to converting young children.
No one is trying to convert anyone into being trans, FFS.
It’s not being a bigot to be concerned over something that is generally new to our society.
Being trans isn’t new. Just because we’ve stopped denigrating it openly and pretending it doesn’t exist (it has always existed and been present, but usually in the closet) doesn’t make it new.
But I only speak of the medical part of it.
Treatments for gender dysphoria have been around for literally decades.
I just honestly don’t know enough about the procedures and outcomes to say I can call someone a bigot for disagreeing.
I don’t know the ins and outs of cancer treatments but I don’t doubt doctors. FFS this is some A-grade transphobia. Really sealioning it all up in here.
You make me want to learn so much more. I’m sure 90 percent of the population don’t know all the facts about something that effects 5 percent . But fuck it were transphobic. Your a real educator!
Your ignorance is not our problem. This isnt new or hard. You’re just a bigot.
Just because someone isn’t fully educated on something doesn’t make them a bigot. My beliefs change when I get new facts. Do you just run around calling everyone bigots because they are unsure about something? I admit my opinion is not very educated on the matter but I’m trying. Good luck in life sir.
Either you’re defending your ignorance after outing it in a public space, or you’re putting on an act to cover for your bigotry.
Till you sort yourself out, you’re coming across as a bigot and that’s your responsibility to resolve, not ours to play along.
@Neato : story of the punk bar bartender and nazis
based on @iamragesparkle;s tweets
I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, “no. get out.”
And the dude next to me says, “hey i’m not doing anything, i’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn’t see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.”
And i was like, ohok and he continues.
"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it’s always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don’t want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.
And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it’s too late because they’re entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.
And i was like, ‘oh damn.’ and he said “yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.”
And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven’t forgotten that at all.
unless bigotry is pushed back, irrespective of the bigot’s age, there will be no progress.
Why should we trip over ourselves to accommodate the old people’s feelings? They’re clearly not working to understand the youth. Respect is a two way street.
Looks like somebody chewed on a bat that was past its sell-by date
