He becomes the latest shock rocker to share his distaste for gender-affirming care after Dee Snider and Paul Stanley shared similar views.

  • Stanwich@lemmy.world
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    A lot of older people feel like this. It’s an opinion that will sooner or later die out. I’m not going to bash people about old views in a world that is changing faster then we can keep up. Progress is slow and steady.

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      Older people need to be told they are wrong and given reasons why. Then they can adapt their views and understand their world better. Those that refuse to adapt should be ostracized. There’s no room for bigots. I’ve been doing this same thing when I was misunderstanding the world and I hope to be adapting until I die.

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        I don’t know everyone’s personal experiences on the matter but I can’t blame people for wanting to pump the brakes a little when it comes to converting young children. It’s not being a bigot to be concerned over something that is generally new to our society. But I only speak of the medical part of it. I have no issues with gender neutral bathrooms ect… I just honestly don’t know enough about the procedures and outcomes to say I can call someone a bigot for disagreeing.

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          pump the brakes a little when it comes to converting young children.

          No one is trying to convert anyone into being trans, FFS.

          It’s not being a bigot to be concerned over something that is generally new to our society.

          Being trans isn’t new. Just because we’ve stopped denigrating it openly and pretending it doesn’t exist (it has always existed and been present, but usually in the closet) doesn’t make it new.

          But I only speak of the medical part of it.

          Treatments for gender dysphoria have been around for literally decades.

          I just honestly don’t know enough about the procedures and outcomes to say I can call someone a bigot for disagreeing.

          I don’t know the ins and outs of cancer treatments but I don’t doubt doctors. FFS this is some A-grade transphobia. Really sealioning it all up in here.

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            You make me want to learn so much more. I’m sure 90 percent of the population don’t know all the facts about something that effects 5 percent . But fuck it were transphobic. Your a real educator!

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                Just because someone isn’t fully educated on something doesn’t make them a bigot. My beliefs change when I get new facts. Do you just run around calling everyone bigots because they are unsure about something? I admit my opinion is not very educated on the matter but I’m trying. Good luck in life sir.

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                  Either you’re defending your ignorance after outing it in a public space, or you’re putting on an act to cover for your bigotry.

                  Till you sort yourself out, you’re coming across as a bigot and that’s your responsibility to resolve, not ours to play along.

                  @Neato : story of the punk bar bartender and nazis

                  based on @iamragesparkle;s tweets

                  I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, “no. get out.”

                  And the dude next to me says, “hey i’m not doing anything, i’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed

                  Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn’t see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.”

                  And i was like, ohok and he continues.

                  "you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it’s always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don’t want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.

                  And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it’s too late because they’re entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.

                  And i was like, ‘oh damn.’ and he said “yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.”

                  And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven’t forgotten that at all.

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      Why should we trip over ourselves to accommodate the old people’s feelings? They’re clearly not working to understand the youth. Respect is a two way street.

    • xuxebiko@kbin.socialOP
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      unless bigotry is pushed back, irrespective of the bigot’s age, there will be no progress.