I think they’re clarifying that the removal of the DEI program erased you, not the DEI program itself. It’s a small nit to pick, but then you confirmed it, so I think they just got confused. Words are hard sometimes
You should explain in more detail how that can possibly be the case. What other extenuating circumstances were there? What community or region did this occur in? I’m sorry if this is a hurt you didn’t want to discuss but this makes no sense in the context of DEI programs and their intention.
So the DEI program wasn’t inclusive enough? Would the situation have been better without the DEI program? Just trying to understand the issue, typically DEI has the effect of increasing visibility but it sounds like you had the opposite experience.
The DEI program (at least the one that interfaced with me) excluded and erased anyone who didn’t fit their prescribed notions of diversity.
I had a bad experience with an advisor in 2018. She invited me to her home, and asked me to bring food. We ate dinner. After, she put on netflix and started rubbing her butt on me. I ate her out, giving her my virginity. I quickly switched advisors. I had a swarm of “feminists” come down on me to cancel me for daring to eat out my female boss. Because I have something like a penis, it must be my fault, workplace hierarchies be damned.
I was kicked out of space sciences, and clawed my way back over a several year long struggle. In the meantime, I decided to transition to female. I am intersex, and hoped that it would help me avoid harassment. I cannot go on HRT because it would kill me. I try to qualify and push back against the HRT worship performed by mainstream trans culture. Trans people try to cancel me for speaking to my life experience and for pointing out that there are negative medical consequences of HRT that needs to be a part of the discussion. HRT should not be pushed as the default or only way to be trans. This and lingering animosity from the 2018 incident caused me to get kicked out a second time.
DEI, as it was implemented, was as much about reaching out to marginalized communities as it was about enforcing that everyone in the workplace hold the same beliefs. It was as much about bringing in new faces as it was about silencing even moderately dissenting voices. It was about supporting a diversity of identities, while also silencing a diversity of thought. I believe that the exclusive and inequitable implementation of DEI is a major driver of many people’s animosity towards it.
My situation would have been better without the DEI program. I would have my PhD by now, and I would probably not be unemployed. I recognize that for others the program was a foot in the door. That does not change the fact that for many like me, it was a boot in the ass.
That’s what it claims to mean, but that’s frankly not how it was implemented.
Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion are fabulous ideals that result in better science that improves the lives of more people. If properly implemented, they create a better workplace ecosystem that better serves its employees and our nation/planet/community.
I wish that DEI programs didn’t stand for Demonization, Exclusion, and Inequity.
I’ve been reading the whole thread and it looks like you’re blaming an entire program for the bad experience you had with a particular group of people.
A particular group of people… who ran the program and used it as a tool of oppression.
Because of this, I think that it’s valid that I direct my criticisms towards the program. Would you rather I start rattling off names? Or should I focus on the structural inequities that enabled and rewarded these bad actors?
I suspect that these overreaches of power contributed to the rampant public animosity towards these programs and enabled fascism.
I hope that someone learns from my criticisms so that we can prevent what happened last year from happening again.
Can you give me a few solid examples or some slides that they shared for your specific DEI program? I’ve done two and it’s some of the most boring and dry shit that I’ve ever listened to.
For ours, it was mainly that you can get talent from anywhere. It wasn’t about hating white men or nothing. I mean, at least it wasn’t for the ones that I’ve attended?
It happened to me in October 2018 and again in April 2024. Erasure by DEI programs and of the people supported by them kills a part of you.
You never really know how to feel. You just get increasingly dead inside.
At least I have two weeks of food left.
Erasure of DEI programs? DEI doesn’t erase I just wanna make sure I’m understanding you properly.
DEI programs absolutely erased people.
They erased me for being intersex and not conforming to their stereotypes of gender diversity / transness.
Oh, who did they erase?
Me. Your reply came in while I was adding my edit.
I think they’re clarifying that the removal of the DEI program erased you, not the DEI program itself. It’s a small nit to pick, but then you confirmed it, so I think they just got confused. Words are hard sometimes
No, the DEI program erased me.
You should explain in more detail how that can possibly be the case. What other extenuating circumstances were there? What community or region did this occur in? I’m sorry if this is a hurt you didn’t want to discuss but this makes no sense in the context of DEI programs and their intention.
I just responded to another comment asking questions in the same spirit. Please see my answer there.
So the DEI program wasn’t inclusive enough? Would the situation have been better without the DEI program? Just trying to understand the issue, typically DEI has the effect of increasing visibility but it sounds like you had the opposite experience.
The DEI program (at least the one that interfaced with me) excluded and erased anyone who didn’t fit their prescribed notions of diversity.
I had a bad experience with an advisor in 2018. She invited me to her home, and asked me to bring food. We ate dinner. After, she put on netflix and started rubbing her butt on me. I ate her out, giving her my virginity. I quickly switched advisors. I had a swarm of “feminists” come down on me to cancel me for daring to eat out my female boss. Because I have something like a penis, it must be my fault, workplace hierarchies be damned.
I was kicked out of space sciences, and clawed my way back over a several year long struggle. In the meantime, I decided to transition to female. I am intersex, and hoped that it would help me avoid harassment. I cannot go on HRT because it would kill me. I try to qualify and push back against the HRT worship performed by mainstream trans culture. Trans people try to cancel me for speaking to my life experience and for pointing out that there are negative medical consequences of HRT that needs to be a part of the discussion. HRT should not be pushed as the default or only way to be trans. This and lingering animosity from the 2018 incident caused me to get kicked out a second time.
DEI, as it was implemented, was as much about reaching out to marginalized communities as it was about enforcing that everyone in the workplace hold the same beliefs. It was as much about bringing in new faces as it was about silencing even moderately dissenting voices. It was about supporting a diversity of identities, while also silencing a diversity of thought. I believe that the exclusive and inequitable implementation of DEI is a major driver of many people’s animosity towards it.
My situation would have been better without the DEI program. I would have my PhD by now, and I would probably not be unemployed. I recognize that for others the program was a foot in the door. That does not change the fact that for many like me, it was a boot in the ass.
Edited to put the story in chronological order.
Now I’m confused, what does DEI stand for? I thought it meant Diversity, Equity and Inclusion.
That’s what it claims to mean, but that’s frankly not how it was implemented.
Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion are fabulous ideals that result in better science that improves the lives of more people. If properly implemented, they create a better workplace ecosystem that better serves its employees and our nation/planet/community.
I wish that DEI programs didn’t stand for Demonization, Exclusion, and Inequity.
I’ve been reading the whole thread and it looks like you’re blaming an entire program for the bad experience you had with a particular group of people.
A particular group of people… who ran the program and used it as a tool of oppression.
Because of this, I think that it’s valid that I direct my criticisms towards the program. Would you rather I start rattling off names? Or should I focus on the structural inequities that enabled and rewarded these bad actors?
I suspect that these overreaches of power contributed to the rampant public animosity towards these programs and enabled fascism.
I hope that someone learns from my criticisms so that we can prevent what happened last year from happening again.
That is exactly the incel mentality. These people did me wrong so I will blame the entirety of what, in my eyes, they represent.
No, it’s not incel mentality.
It’s the mentality of addressing structural issues and inequities instead of symptomatic bad actors.
It’s the mentality of trying to fix broken systems that wronged me.
Inequality is structural and needs to be addressed structurally if we want to solve it.
Blaming people and trying to get revenge by punishing them is the mentality that created the problematic structures that I’m trying to address.
Can you give me a few solid examples or some slides that they shared for your specific DEI program? I’ve done two and it’s some of the most boring and dry shit that I’ve ever listened to.
For ours, it was mainly that you can get talent from anywhere. It wasn’t about hating white men or nothing. I mean, at least it wasn’t for the ones that I’ve attended?