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Anonymous: Trump is making America weaker and we’ll exploit it. The international hacker community is preparing to strike against U.S. infrastructure and calls for public awareness against incoming fascism
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Exploit it you say? Please get in line behind the russians, the chinese snd pretty much all arab countries
What did we do? As if our governments aren’t US vassals? Yet you still demonize us. If Arab governments had any sway our governments wouldn’t be paying tributes and forced to normalize with Israel and host US troops.
The only foreign country that controls US politics and bought US politicians from both major parties is Israel. https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
Next time a blonde haired blue eyed British man named Lawrence comes asking you to rebel against the Ottomans you’ll think twice, huh
There were legitimate grievances, but most Arabs did not rebel against the Ottomans. In fact many more died fighting for it. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2004/1/14/the-forgotten-arabs-of-gallipoli
The Saudis did not give the Jared billions for nothing. Just remember, the Saudis and Israelis told Bush to invade Iraq and next up is Iran with Putin’s Sock Puppet in charge. It will be a massive cluster fuck.
Leaders in the region fear that the US will turn their countries into another Iraq so they pay up. Don’t confuse tributes for bribes.
Saudi Arabia opposed the invasion of Iraq. It was Netanyahu that went to congress and sold the war to them.
Saudi Arabia’s Steadfast Opposition to the Invasion of Iraq
https://www.washingtonpost.com/made-by-history/2023/03/17/iraq-saudi-arabia-saddam-hussein/
Crap, I should have typed the 1st Gulf War and Bush Sr. You are correct about the 2nd invasion, the Saudis did not want Iraq fractured and the Shite’s gaining power through Iran.
In the first Gulf War it was out of necessity. Iraqi troops invaded Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khafji
Even today, other than wealth, Saudi Arabia is a much smaller country than Iraq with half its population -Saudi Arabia’s population figures are inflated since over 40% are foreigners-. In 1991 Iraq was much stronger, and much more self sufficient, it could have taken Saudi Arabia in days if it weren’t for the coalition forces.
-Saudi Arabia’s population figures are inflated since over 40% are foreigners-.
That’s not inflated, they’re still part of the population…
Maybe they don’t count temporary residents like students and foreign worker permit holders?
Also can they likely can’t be drafted / join their army?
Iran, for one example, is a prolific cybersecurity adversary of the USA. One of the top four advesaries alongside China, North Korea and Russia. In fact, Iran is believed to be responsible for disclosing a CIA covert channel to China which led to a critical dismantling of CIA assets. I don’t know as much about other Arab states because Iran is most famous for its advanced cyber-warfare capabilities, but honestly, to avoid exploiting the USA would be very foolish.
Obviously this goes both ways. Israel and the USA are infamous for Stuxnet, a computer virus which reportedly destroyed a fifth of Iran’s nuclear centrifuges in the early 2000s.
I just want to confirm that you know that Iranians are not Arabs. Linguistically they are closer to Europeans and Indians.
Sorry, you are correct. I assumed the person you replied to was talking about the whole Middle East region and didn’t think twice for posting.
Don’t forget the billionaires too.
Anything supposedly said by “Anonymous” as a hacker group should always be treated with immense skepticism.
There do exist somewhat legitimate sub-factions that actually take serious actions and do serious ops, and also semi-legitimate “outlets” for their statements… but there’s also an overwhelming amount of smokescreen bullshit “anon news outlets” and little script kiddies running around. It’s important/intentional that those continue existing as smoke screen for the more “serious” factions.
Beyond that, being an anonymous group with no real methods of confirming membership to outsiders (insiders can just check if you’re in the private IRCs and etc) it means that just about anyone and everyone can make some big declaration like this. The proof will be in the results, not some announcement that could be made by a rando.
No matter who is really making these threats/warnings, I think things are going to get pretty dire in the US government IT space. It’s been well known for decades that most government orgs have absolutely abysmal cyber security, and now you have a bunch of young adult tech-bros with no true accountability running roughshod over all of it. Then there’s the fact that more than one of them have “serious black hat hacker” backgrounds.
Going to be one wild ride.
little script kiddies running around
Yeah, they’re running around the Treasury Dept right now.
It’s been well known for decades that most government orgs have absolutely abysmal cyber security
Having worked with government agencies and a lot of large private organizations the thing that keeps them mostly secure is the amount of red tape involved with things. Patching a production system requires a teleconference with at least five different people and no one person knows everything.
The idiots without any security experience coming in to “streamline” things will just make the systems even more fragile and insecure.
Known and vetted systems are always the most secure. Until RSA is broken, and then they’ll need to update to a quantum resilient standard. Which we’ve had in the wild for 6 years already and the NIST has officially approved for 2 years.
We’re still at least a decade away from a machine with enough qbits to do it. So i feel like we should be fine.
It’s the fucking Credit Bureaus, Telecoms, and Energy Companies I worry about. They keep fucking up.
Anyone who complies with the NIST standards is in a good place.
The problem is that a lot of places are not in compliance with NIST standards.
I know, I’ve helped patch them.
Yep, but we’ve got at least a decade to do it, and when new systems are stood up they “should” be in compliance.
Based on my experience if we say it needs done in a decade it will never be done.
See also: All the unemployment systems running on FORTRAN
FORTRAN could be said to be security through obscurity though /s
I don’t know about government overall, but the military and HHS have has some of the most stringent security stances I’ve encountered. To the point where just working for them was a massive chore. (How effective they were I guess I don’t know, but working for them sucked.)
That said, I’ll take what you said on faith, because I think you’re spot on with everything else.
Often, ridiculous and onerous procedural security is hiding massively incompetent actual software security or is used to constrain people from discovering security by obscurity holes. Everything I’ve done in government interfacing as a vendor would seem to confirm this, at least back when I was doing it a few years ago. You’d be hard pressed to convince me it’s changed much since.
I once answered a phone call inside a com closet on base. Military IT was already escorting me. Security came because the cameras in the closet detected the camera on my phone. It’s definitely physically tight security.
I had to help the SSA implement SAML authentication once and they weren’t even allowed to share their screen so I could see what they were doing. Totally agree that it’s a massive chore.
That said, I’ll take what you said on faith, because I think you’re spot on with everything else.
I mean, it’s not a secret that governments everywhere run really outdated software (think things like Windows 7 and older) because “it works”, so it really shouldn’t be too surprising.
I guess its pointless to believe their words since there is no way to know if its them. Just look at what they actually do and judge based on that.
There do exist somewhat legitimate sub-factions that actually take serious actions and do serious ops
Any examples or sources for me to learn more about these? The only Anonymous news I’ve heard of since the early days is updates on Kirtaner.
Can they do something useful like destroy the debt infrastructure and delete all student loans and medical bills?
Anonymous tends to not do useful things. They just talk a lot.
“Anonymous” isn’t like a formal group. The entire point is that anyone can say that they are anonymous. So yeah, people talk a lot. You can do whatever you like as anonymous.
mostly they are spending hours scrolling through social media accounts of certain types of people looking for dox materials. that’s really about it
Spoiler
You’ve been watching too much Mr. Robot.
Tap for spoiler
Or fight club
A more useful thing would be to do as much damage to Twitter as possible. In fact, why they haven’t attacked Twitter while Musk has been disarming all of its safety protocols is fucking beyond me.
Attacking twitter would be more useful than deleting all debt? I mean go wild, take that shit ass site down but if you had a “delete twitter” button and a “delete all debt” button, mashing the second one would make you the greatest hero who ever lived.
Debt is monitored/store by many different companies
Even if you took down all data of x health insurance company it would still exist in other places
So I would say that it poses a bigger challenge and you would have to do it at roughly the same time
Sure. Yeah its very hypothetical and silly. As if the Banks that manage national and international money supplies, since most of their managed assets are debt, haven’t thought of it? So no such button exists, whereas there might be a delete twitter button somewhere or one could be rigged up 👀
I’m sure backups and redundancies are “inefficient” since “everything is in the cloud, anyway”.
Ah, Anonymous—the digital equivalent of a fart in a hurricane. Trump’s America? Weakness isn’t new—it’s baked into the propaganda circus we’ve called democracy since Reagan. You think script kiddies and Elon’s crypto-bros “hacking fascism” will fix anything? Please. The real op is watching tech oligarchs and politicians collude while we argue about which flavor of dystopia we’re slurping.
Infrastructure attacks? Bold move, Cotton. Let’s see how it works out when grandma’s dialysis machine gets bricked by some edgelord’s Python script. If you want revolution, stop fetishizing IRC nostalgia and touch grass. Until then, this is just digital graffiti on a burning trash barge.
Are you okay?
What a pointless thought-terminating comment.
Do you have any actual critiques or just lame regurgitated snark to try to win imaginary points?
Well, meowmeowbeanz has a good point, namely, Anonymous saying anything is meaningless. Because Anonymous is a not a group, at best it could be called a movement, at worst it’s just a name. In any case, anybody can claim to speak for them. Hence their statements are meaningless.
However, meowmeowbeanz’s post is also a barely coherent rant with overused emphasis. Which makes them seem mentally unwell. It’s like encountering somebody with a tinfoil hat ranting about how the earth is round.
Anonymous isn’t meaningless; it’s amorphous, which is the whole point. It’s not a movement or a name—it’s a void anyone can step into, wielding chaos as a weapon. That terrifies institutions built on predictability. Sure, it’s messy, but dismissing it outright ignores its potential to disrupt systems that thrive on control.
The emphasis wasn’t overused; it was deliberate. The propaganda circus? Real. Tech oligarchs colluding with politicians? Also real. If calling that out feels unhinged, maybe it’s because the world is unhinged, and pretending otherwise is the real insanity. Tinfoil hats? No. Just tired of people mistaking cynicism for clarity while the trash barge burns.
If that makes me sound mentally unwell, fine. At least I’m awake enough to notice the fire.
PS: tag me next time with @ so I can see your reply, almost missed it!
They’re all talk and no bite. The world needs fsociety
By all means do. It’s not like much of value is lost at this point.
This is kinda what trump wants. If the government cant handle “online stuff” they can pitch privatization. It hurts more if tech megacorps get hacked. Though at this point I wou’d laugh if a bunch of internet nerds got the nuclear codes or locked up a bunch of satellites
If the government cant handle “online stuff” they can pitch privatization.
It kind of already is privatized. Most of the government’s cyber security efforts are handled by defense contractors.
CISA actually monitored Internet traffic and would contact government entities (local, schools, universities, etc) when they were being attacked. I went to a talk once where they said they usually had response times in minutes, and it would take longer to figure out who they needed to alert and convince them that it was real. Now that CISA is gutted I would expect more and worse breaches in the future.
Imagine if one nuclear head was pointed to every megacorp headquarters in the US.
Don’t point at the HQs, point at their mansions / golf courses / private islands
Ceo residences would do better. Force them all to live in the office hellscape they created.
Well I hope they choose their targets right, otherwise it’ll just make everything worse.
That’s kind of inevitable right now. The most important thing is making sure Trump and the GOP get the blame. Well, them or Russia.
Actually, the best targets aren’t the government. It’s big business.
That’s gonna be a big ask. Republicans don’t even get the blame for the things they do themselves. Oligarch propaganda is everywhere and pernicious, look at how the average working class American has accepted the notion that low level bureaucrats are the reason they’re poor.
They’ll blame it on Obama, Hillary, Biden, communism, LGBTQ, Black people, immigrants, etc.
They never take the blame - there’s always an ‘other’ to demonize.
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Very true and annoyed at myself for forgetting. Thanks for reminding me.
Under facism dog whistles quickly become crimes
Tomorrow
Trump: By executive order, I dismantle the computer warfare and defence division
Musk: It doesn’t exist anymore!
The day after
Anonymous: They turned off their service that sanitized all inputs. We just stole everything from every department, and put cats on every governments webpage.
“The government had both server and client side validation, which is totally wasteful and inefficient! I removed both and may the best one win!”
Elmo, DOGE
Anonymous, if you are going to do it, PLEASE make sure to leave the innocent people alone and go after the rich assholes that are doing this.
Other than that, here’s my axe, go wild
Here is my 4 laptops, loaded up loic, give me ip, we roll
No one is innocent here.
Hacker fashion tip: while wearing your guy fox mask, match it with a Luigi hat.
The Guy Faux mask is so 2005.
This guy fawks
I don’t know if you guys are on purpose but it’s Fawkes. It would be amazing if three people really had different spellings of the same Guy…
I think the guy you’re thinking of Fox Mulder
Do it, attack America’s life points directly.
No, my Blue Eyes White Aryan!
Don’t need to open Twitter to watch it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI27LEimfYg
I’m also remembering an IT crowd scene where they argue about which of them is in Anonymous, and I can’t find it now. Does anyone have a link handy? Unless I am misremembering
I don’t know if this is the point you’re making, but IIRC, they are a disorganized group, so anybody can claim to be part of them.
Yea I think that was the joke in that scene, but I can’t seem to find a clip of it
Gotcha, I honestly didn’t watch the video, so the joke is now on me.
It was the very final episode. Sort of a special. That wrapped up the series. Sometimes referred to as season 5. The name of the episode is the internet is coming.
Aren’t they kind of notorious for empty promises?
Its more of a chaos entity. Because anyone can be a part of it with literally no steps other than saying “I am Anonymous”, anyone can say or do anything. As a result, one person or group may claim Anonymous while doing a legitimate hack, while another person who is just a script kiddie won’t ever actually do anything and you get this hot and cold, will they won’t they effect as a result.
Getting attention is a big part of it
My final semester in American Sign Language was “Sex, Drugs, and Profanity,” and most of the signs are just exactly what you’d guess. (I held on to those textbooks.) Plus, facial expressions are a big part of the grammar of the language. I don’t recognize this scene, but assuming it’s from a comedy - it’s probably also not far off from accurate.
It’s from the 1982 film Airplane 2: the Sequel. Nowhere near as funny as the original, but still very funny.
