• irmoz@reddthat.com
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            Deterrents are not absolute. Also, I don’t know how you’re not aware of this, but it was Ukraine’s announcement they’d be joining NATO that provoked Russia. That doesn’t sound like an alliance preventing war, does it… As I said - deterrents are not absolute. They never are. Police and prison (allegedly) deter crime, for instance.

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              it was Ukraine’s announcement they’d be joining NATO that provoked Russia

              Boggles me how some people actually think this. Finland’s announcement they’d be joining NATO that provoked Russia into a second war, right? No wait

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                Yeah, it’s a stupid fucking reason but it’s the one Putin gave. It was a convenient excuse for his imperialist ambitions.

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                  Eh? What putin says is irrelevant to reality, please stop using him as a source. If you’re about to tell me joining NATO is a reason for wars to break out please make sure it’s real first lmao.

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                    So you’re gonna tell me it’s about the Nazis in Ukraine and you think he’s just going there to liberate them? Yeah right.

                    EDIT: FFS you got me distracted again. Just like you wanted, I forgot my initial point was just that deterrents aren’t absolute, and alliances do not necessarily deter war - and this is just one example.

                    Whether Ukraine joining NATO was the actual reason the war broke out, them planning to join NATO didn’t STOP the war, did it?