• UsernameHere@lemmy.world
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    7 hours ago

    Progressives will continue to lose because they think they don’t need to work with ideologies other than their own in a country where progressives are a small fraction of the population.

    ‘Don’t try to appeal to moderate voters! Why can’t we win elections?!’

    ‘Don’t compromise with republicans to get the votes needed to pass legislation! Why can’t we get legislation passed?!’

    ‘Is is us progressives that are to blame for our lack of progress? No it is the voters that are wrong!’

    ‘We are very smart’

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      It is unironically the voters’ faults if things go to shit in a democracy yes. It sucks that we have bad education but nobody is stopping people from paying attention.

      The point of progressives is they don’t support regressive policies

      Appealing to oligarchs and embracing the Feudal system kind of goes against their core tenants

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        The point of progressives is they don’t support regressive policies

        This is a fancy way of saying they let Trump win instead of voting in their own best interests.

        Appealing to oligarchs and embracing the Feudal system kind of goes against their core tenants.

        Are they achieving those tenants by letting Trump win?

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      If the strategy of compromising with the right, appealing to moderate voters, and sucking up to corporate donors is so effective, why did it fail miserably at stopping the fall to fascism? Are you of the same mind as the Democratic leadership, that Kamala Harris ran a perfect campaign?

      You’re making the same mistake that right-wingers make, blaming the powerless for the actions of the powerful.

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        If the strategy of compromising with the right, appealing to moderate voters, and sucking up to corporate donors is so effective, why did it fail miserably at stopping the fall to fascism?

        Because China/Russia/Iran/North Korea and the billionaire class wanted Trump to win and used their propaganda machines to influence the elections. Not to mention billionaires doing underhanded stuff like buying votes. All while progressives fed the propaganda machine with their constant criticism.

        Failing miserably would describe progressives’ refusal to work with other ideologies and thus losing elections consistently.

        Are you of the same mind as the Democratic leadership, that Kamala Harris ran a perfect campaign?

        There is no such thing as a perfect campaign.

        You’re making the same mistake that right-wingers make, blaming the powerless for the actions of the powerful.

        I’m blaming the people that tipped the scales and got Trump elected.

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          I’m blaming the people that tipped the scales and got Trump elected.

          You acknowledge the influence of billionaires and foreign governments on our political process, yet you still place the blame on progressives for criticizing Democrats for refusing to challenge those billionaires. Why?

          The progressives are the Democrats’ true base, so if Democrats are unpopular with their base and are receiving criticism from them, it’s on the Democrats to respond to that criticism and appeal to their base. If you absolutely must play the blame game, place the blame on those who had the power to do better and didn’t. You can be frustrated about the way people vote all you want, but it isn’t going to change their minds. Only the Democrats had that power, and they refused to do what needed to be done.