• Bytemeister@lemmy.world
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    They offered nothing because they thought they had an easy win.

    Remember, nothing was…

    A woman’s bodily autonomy. A Trans person’s right to comfort in their body. The separation between church and state. A birthright citizens right to live in their country. An employee’s right to a safe job.

    And so much more… And it’s only been 7 days. Fuck anyone who said the Dems brought nothing to the table. You ignored what they were fighting to keep a hold of in order to parrot some bullshit Russian disinfo false equivalency about a genocide being committed by a different fucking leader in a different fucking country.

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      You ignored what they were fighting to keep a hold of in order to parrot some bullshit Russian disinfo false equivalency about a genocide being committed by a different fucking leader in a different fucking country.

      I would find the lesser evil argument more convincing if the people advocating it didn’t always turn out to be genocide denying conspiracy theorists who will ignore reality to defend unspeakable acts

      Seems like you’re not actually capable of pragmatically choosing the lesser evil while still condeming it. Seems like you always end up defending evil.

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      Why are you ignoring all the funds and arms sent to this entire different country? Do you think all that military aid is Russian disinfo?

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        Any president put in power in the US was going to provide aid to Israel one way or another. As abhorrent as Israel’s actions are, they are a US ally, and they did suffer major terrorist attack in October, and they are surrounded by other nations that would love to chop them up. Full stop, any aid sent to Israel should have been conditional, but it’s foolish to think that they would not have continued without US support. The situation is not black and white and our best chance of changing Israel’s actions were to elect Kamala, and put Democrats in Congress that are for conditional aid to Israel.

        What was Russian disinfo was pushing the narrative that Kamala was a genocide supporter to Democrats, and not pushing the fact that if trump won, he was going to back Israel completely eradicating Palestinians from the Gaza strip.

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          Full stop, any aid sent to Israel should have been conditional, but it’s foolish to think that they would not have continued without US support.

          Then they could have continued without US support. If anyone in the biden white house or anyone in his wing of the party had wanted to withdraw it.

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            Exactly! So why throw away your own damn country because of a genocide being done by a different leader in a different country that was going to continue no matter what?

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              You may have loved it, but I resent being manipulated into voting in such a way that made me complicit in every centrist’s favorite activity.

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                  highlighting Kamala for the shitty situation that neither candidate had the power to stop.

                  She had the power to say “If elected, I will stop selling weapons for genocide in accordance with the Leahy Law.” She chose not to exercise that power. Just like you’ve chosen to make excuses for moral cowardice in the face of genocide.

                  also I think making a baseless claim that someone participating in a fair discussion on this forum loves voting for a genocide breaks Rule 1,

                  A whole year of being called a trumper for disliking genocide indicates that no, it does not.

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                    Just like you’ve chosen to make excuses for moral cowardice in the face of genocide.

                    Which candidate did you vote for who was anti-anything-even-tangentially-related-to-another-country-committing-a-genocide? The choice is a false dichotomy, and by falling for it, you’ve enabled the worst fascist in my lifetime to take power.

                    A whole year of being called a trumper for disliking genocide indicates that no, it does not.

                    Nah. Trumpers see the genocide as a good thing. Jews are better than Muslims in their hate hierarchy. You might have been called a trumper because you spent a year pushing a false narrative that would ultimately end up getting trump elected though.