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    Literally the richest man in the world, who’s now got the President of one of the richest countries in the world with the strongest military, in his pocket. Doing a Nazi salute twice on a national stage with very likely no repercussions whatsoever. Not to mention all the other billionaires at the inauguration. This is truly a cursed timeline.

    That Doomsday clock must be very close to midnight by now

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        In most countries, the KKK would be considered a terrorist organization. Here in the US, they’re a “political group.”

        The call has been coming from inside the house for over a century.

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        Some things make execution the public’s job. And I’m tied of pretending otherwise.

        I should be able to post a video of myself killing Nick Fuentes, for example, and receive nothing but favorable responses.

        I don’t understand the argument when someone is a total negative in every way, with absolutely zero redeeming characteristics.

        I am not typically a violent person, but with someone out there causing actual harm to people, promoting more harm, with a completely objective negative amount of humanity and worth, there is definitely a line where the cost of keeping them alive outweighs every single good thing they’ve ever (and will ever) do.

        The line for this is really murky down here in peasant world, but the leaders should be the absolute peak of humanity.

        And when their death provides an amazing benefit as well, then I say bring on the Luigis. I don’t say that lightly either. This isn’t a “kill everyone meeting this criteria” kinda thing. This is very specific.

        The ones not quite worth messing still deserve the next worst punishment forever. And there are plenty of groups that fit into this. Nazis is the obvious one. That specifically should be a crime by itself, but that argument has issues too, but that’s just my opinion until I hear a better one.

        You don’t deserve to participate in society just for being born. You deserve it by being a contributor to it. All you deserve for being born is a fair chance not to be evil. The price for crossing that line should be everything.

        I realize the line of thinking is dangerously close to theirs. But it isn’t based on arbitrary issues like beliefs or race. It’s just being a decent person. That line should be pretty clear and obvious.

        Nobody should be intentionally harmful to anyone- except for evil people. I don’t think we’ll ever evolve to that point though. Not inside of at digit number of years at the very least.

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      What’s worse, this happens at a time when there are already certain issues genuinely bigger than humans as a species (in some regards), like climate change, that ought to supercede all other issues and really need everyone to pool all of their resources and be smart about it.

      Instead we get Chucklefuck McDoofusface doing a Sieg Heil as he accepts his de-factor presidency of the Unites States of Assholery.

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      In Greek theater, when the events on stage looked like they were headed for certain tragedy, there was a trope that could salvage the situation and turn it on its head.

      The deus ex machina.

      The Doomsday clock is definitely ticking down, but there’s also some curious things taking place beyond the edge of where most people have been following in that vein.

      We live in interesting times, but the variables at hand are different from the history that seems to be repeating in very important ways.

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      Just gonna buy some of those goggles those dudes wore wearing at the Trinity tests, grab some popcorn, and watch the world burn.

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    Weird how the ADL is nowhere to be found when someone does a Nazi salute on a national stage. I guess it’s more necessary to dunk on anti-genocide Jews instead.

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          “The Party told you to reject evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final and most essential command.”

          • Probably Orwell or something
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          This is exactly how modern fascists operate. The majority of people will brush it off with “It’s just a joke” or “It was an accident”, but the extremists in the crowd know that it wasn’t, and they feel right at home. There was a video on youtube called something like “the pewdiepipeline” that explained this perfectly.

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            When I saw the headline I expected an awkward wave or something, caught in camera at the exact wrong moment, being pushed because it made a good headline. I didn’t think there was any way musk would be so blatant. Then I watched the video and no, that’s a legitimate seig heil right there, the press reported exactly what happened.

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          Just plain gross.

          I knew a number of camp survivors, and I’m just glad they aren’t still around to see the voices that were so loudly calling to “never forget” having turned into “I’ll ignore your Nazi salute if you ignore my war crimes.”

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        Jesus Christ. Mask off… Maybe if we had a halfway decent education system, people would see this for the bullshit it is

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        Remember, it’s only a Nazi Salute if it occurs in the Weimar region of Germany between 1938-1945. Otherwise it’s just Sparkling Fascism.

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        Got a link for that? I’m surprised they even acknowledged it instead of ignoring it.

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    My theory: a test to see how easily their media apparatus can explain this away or ignore it entirely. Effectively shaping reality in realtime.

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    I don’t understand these people at all. If I had 10 million dollars I’d be living the high life in a tropical country banging hookers left and right. Why is someone worth 600 billion so interested in something so boring and shitty as politics? Does he have no actual interests?

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        Maybe at some point money is no longer enough. Or, maybe when one gets so much money, they start thinking they are better than the others and need to rule them to make the whole world better?

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          I actually think it’s pretty simple and not even that sinister, although I do think you need to have certain undesirable, in my opinion, character traits.

          I’ll preface this by stating I know nothing about this stuff, I’m a software developer.

          These people, for the most part, come from money so I doubt that’s ever the goal. Like I said it’s power. To your other point about thinking they’re better than us, I think they do and mainly because when you get this much wealth and power you’re surrounded by yes men.

          So take someone like Harvey Weinstein; people don’t go from 0-100 in the crazy shit to do scale. But imagine you’re surrounded by yes men, so you do something at level 3 on the weirdness/creepy scale and nobody challenges you and it becomes the new baseline. Now you escalate to something at level 7 on the scale and so this goes unchallenged and the new baseline. After a while you get people doing and getting away with the craziest shit.

          I think this applies to people like Elon Musk, Russel Brand, Trump, and many other folk who seek out power or an audience.

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          Inevitably, they all channel Dr. Horrible.

          The world’s a mess and I just… need to rule it.

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      That’s the thing: if you or I got 10mil we’d live it up and not worry about accumulating more wealth. Beyond that it’s just collecting for collecting’s sake. Clearly, when you’re the richest man on earth, the only way to collect more (of anything) is to collect power by buying the president.

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      I would be trying to invent a super soldier serum that turns you into catgirl if I had 600 billion dollars

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      Good point I don’t think he has any interests at all what an enormous red flag

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    I’m calling it. In 2 months he will be proudly wearing a toothbrush mustache. And the headlines will say “Musk is brining back Charlie Chaplin’s mustache”.

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    I’m looking at r/Conservative, Gab, and other far-right outlets to see what is happening with the incoming administration, and all I can say is what the actual fuck

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      Coworker keeps tuning into some inauguration party (has real “house party where the parents are gone” energy) and the lady Waters was talking to was just talking about the “patriotism” and how democrats lost track of the normal, reasonable people because of tampons in the boys room and men playing women’s sports. SSDD.

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      Absolutely incredible to see the ADL defending overt Nazism. I guess these days the only way you can be antisemitic is to oppose genocide.

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      What’s it like in those outlets? I don’t have the courage to go in there myself, those idiots make me feel angry and sad.

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        Trump doing tons of shit was the first thing I saw. The “Migrants weep in Mexico as Trump admin cancels all appointments for Biden’s CBP One app immediately after swearing in” one in particular though, they’re not even pretending to not be horrible people anymore.

        Gab is largely similar right now but in Twitter format instead, and people posting super Christiany stuff also. Apparently their founder was one of the people resharing the Elon salute, while r/Conservative likes to pretend they aren’t Nazis while still being Nazis

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    Doesn’t surprise me that he is a Nazi. Just surprised that he can pull this off so openly.

    Have we learnt nothing?

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    This dork wants to be darth vader, and it kills him that it isn’t working. Instead of becoming a cooler person and being good to people, which might make him cool, he does what weak people do and does increasingly horrible things.

    It’s like he thinks “if you can’t be strong, be weak, louder”. He needs to go the other way.

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    Fucking wow… I had been telling myself that it was probably an out of context still, a photo that was a bad look for sure but it couldn’t really be THAT bad.

    It really is. It really fucking is that bad. There really is no excusing it, no depth of delusion that can cover it. It really is exactly what we thought it was.

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      The gif also cuts off before he does it a second time facing the crowd behind him. Once could maybe be called an accident, but twice? 100% intentional

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          Yeah I’ve seen people commenting that he was just trying to wave from his heart but the awkward cut of his suit’s armpits made his hand go up like that. You can’t make this ish up. It’s ludicrous.

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            “He didn’t grab his heart first, NOT A NAZI SALUTE.”

            “Hitler family raised his arm to 37.5° to seig heil, Elon raised is to 46.25°, NOT A NAZI SALUTE.”

            “But Joe Biden was personally flying bombing runs on children’s hospitals, so who cares if musk used a fucking NAZI SALUTE?!

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      Same, I thought “Oh he was doing some other gesture and you caught him in mid pose or something…”

      But no he straight up did that

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    You just know Don is going to be furious that Elon has stolen the limelight today.

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    So, if Space Channel 5 Part 2 is any indicator of reality, we can take control of the President from Elon Musk by having Lady Gaga copy Elon’s moves perfectly in a dance battle. We can then proceed to use Starlink to fire a laser back at Elon by channeling the power of the 83 million or so people watching this and dancing along into one funkified force, saving the world once and for all, though on occasion we may need Lady Gaga to race in a futuristic vehicle with Sonic in a few racing games…

    Look it’s less ridiculous than the shit hat’s actually going on, so I think it’s worth a shot.