Summary
An Axios-Ipsos poll shows that while two-thirds of Americans, including 93% of Republicans, support mass deportations of undocumented immigrants, support declines when specific methods are proposed.
Only 38% favor using active-duty military, 28% back diverting military funds, and just one-third support separating families or deporting those who arrived as children.
Trump’s plans for mass deportations face logistical, economic, and public opinion challenges.
Experts note abstract support for deportations fades when Americans confront the complexities of implementation.
Very few people have a grasp on immigration law in the first place. I’d imagine most Americans don’t understand that if someone was brought into the country without a visa as a child, raised here, and got married to a citizen and had kids they must be deported and are banned from applying for a green card for 10 years (there are appeals to this, but that’s how the process stands). Breaking up families like that is nonsensical from a public policy standpoint, so nobody really intuits that’s how the system works.
This reminds me of the UK’s shelved(?) plan to detain refugees and deport them to Rwanda. I don’t just mean people who have come from Rwanda, I mean everyone, just using Rwanda for people storage. If it wasn’t such a dark topic, I’d say the whole thing was slapstick, both in it’s original conception and attempted implementation.
Close enough, welcome back Australia
Removed by mod
Fervently Supporting a thing you wouldn’t support if you just gave a little critical thought to the matter feels uniquely American.
And doubly republican.
Only because you’re prejudiced.
Brexit says it’s not just America.
Willful ignorance is a universal “value”. America is just ahead of the curve, at the moment. Counting out other countries is just prejudice.
India with Muslims, Chinese with Uyghurs, Europeans with Muslims, Canadians with First Nations, Denmark/Greenland with natives, Myanmar and Rohingyas, Brazil with Natives. I can keep going
Please note that Europe isn’t as prejudiced with Muslims as it could be.
Old Nazi concentration camps are not online.
I take that as a win.
Which is exactly why Europe is becoming right wing again. The bar CANNOT BE genocide and death camps. That leaves a fuckton of other horrible shit that “don’t seem that bad” in comparison
They are still asking the wrong questions and blissfully ignoring the elephant in the room. If you round up thousands of people there will be logistical problems:
a) you can only deport people to countries which are willing to take them.
b) you’ll have to detain them until they can be deported
Which means concentration camps. Ask Americans if they support concentration camps in their country. Because that is what is going to happen.
concentration camps
Detention facilities. Or whatever bullshit they come up with to make it seem alright.
Word play is a very American Thing.
I’d say it’s a very “thing that’s done in politics” everywhere.
I mean, we always have in the past. Native Americans, Japanese during wwII, waco
Waco?
That one was a joke
Well they’re already building the camp(s) in Texas. I don’t know how anyone who voted for this thought it would go down. It’s a bit late to cry “but not like that!”.
Yeah that’s exactly how the concentration camps happened in Nazi Germany. The initial plan wasn’t to start starving and gassing the Jews. It was to round them up and deport them. Turns out you can’t practically deport millions of people, so they started murdering them instead.
I think you’re missing an “n’t” in there somewhere
Whoops, thanks. Fixed it.
For the third time, at least.
About one in 10 Americans — and close to 1 in 5 Republicans — said they’d support deporting immigrants who are in the country lawfully.
Lead and microplastics have severely fucked us all up in the head.
This just in,
Racist people dumb as shit.
More News at 11
Hate gets easier the farther removed you are from the object of your hatred.
All want to eat sausage, no-one wants to butcher pig. Or something like that.
Hell, most people actively avoid even seeing how sausage is made.
Immigrants made America great, and America needs immigrants to remain great.
Republicans have primed Americans into thinking illegal immigrants are criminals bringing in crime and drugs into the country. Which is completely fabricated and untrue. However, the Democratic Party have failed to counter message (since they dropped the Dreamers messaging) and instead adopted the right wing on immigration. That’s the entire reason we see this contradiction. A genuine counter message would be popular. And it’s essential considering that Trump is going to start mass deportations tomorrow, which will quickly mean the beginning of concentration camps for millions of Americans
Even within the polls where deportations have majority support, in the same poll, there is much more support for legalization.
https://www.vox.com/policy/368889/immigration-border-polls-election-2024-trump-harris
https://news.gallup.com/poll/647123/sharply-americans-curb-immigration.aspx
TWO-THIRDS?? Where did they do their sampling, Cracker Barrel?
If only. That comes out to nearly all Republicans and around a third of Democrats. I could totally see 30% of Democrats being in favor of mass deportations.
First line of the article
Most U.S. adults (9 in 10 Republicans and close to half of Democrats) say they support mass deportations of immigrants living in the country illegally
You gotta remember that the “They’re taking our jobs” and “They’re getting our tax money” propaganda has been pervasive in America for decades. And they don’t, actively or passively, want to know about the realities of the lives of undocumented immigrants in the US. They don’t want to read the studies or know the data. Feelings don’t care about the facts.
Not that anyone asked me but I support a two pronged approach that involves revamping the entire immigration system while sending aid to countries suffering mass emigration. (Seriously, how do I get asked to participate in one of these polls?)
I don’t know if they’re trying to hide their racism but I’ve observed many people say they’re just focused on the illegal immigrants. I think a lot of people actually respect the value of immigrants in this country and want them to come here via the appropriate channels.
If we minimize the astounding number of people coming here illegally because their country is shit and/or because our system for processing them is shit, it should be logistically easier to track and capture people coming in for nefarious reasons.
What we should all be more concerned about is our inability to escape political theater and propaganda. We are being lied to and manipulated to hate and to attack one another for the benefit of corporations and politicians. In and of itself, this isn’t new. But it’s ability in the 21st century to spread and mutate instantaneously is something we have to make ourselves more conscious of.
Do we know what the response would be if you asked them in an open-ended manner? Is there a party-line answer circulating in the right-wing cinematic universe?
How the fuck do undocumented immigrants join the military? I feel like that’s only possible because the military explicitly set up their policies to allow it.
The short answer is no, undocumented immigrants can’t join the US military.
Quoting from the US Army recruiter FAQ:
Can non-U.S. citizens join the Army?
Enlistment into any branch of the U.S. military, by citizens of countries other than the United States is limited to those foreign nationals who are legally residing in the United States and possess a Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services Alien Registration Card (INS Form I-151/551 - commonly known as a “Green Card”). Applicants must be between 17 and 35; meet the mental, moral, and physical standards for enlistment; and must speak, read and write English fluently.
