Republican men seem massively troubled about their masculinity — and that’s literally causing death and suffering
Men who work to limit women’s autonomy over their own bodies, or for that matter conservative women who punch down to bolster their fragile status have serious issues to work on and should quit afflicting them on the rest of us.
Amen
One thing I’ve learned is that if you have to announce something about yourself, and announce it loudly and repeatedly, it’s very much not true.
I’ve been told drinking coffee with cream or sugar isn’t manly which I find funny, like who cares? We all have taste buds dude. IMO a “real” man isn’t concerned about what others think, he is comfortable being himself.
Know what’s manly? Doing whatever the fuck you want.
I’d like to amend that with “whatever the fuck you want, so long as you’re not hurting anyone,” because plenty of these dudes live by doing whatever they want, but they don’t give two shits about how it affects everyone else.
Oh of course.
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I think what you’re saying is more about being HUmanly. Once you try to assert what manliness is and isnt it becomes clear that gender is a social construct and that people should just do what they feel is right regardless of what abstract groups they identify with
I drink black coffee because I have a problem. Not because I’m trying to get +1 to my role in society
Imagine being so sensitive a little bit of lightness in your coffee is enough of a devaluation to your manhood to make it a thing 😫
Not for manlyness reasons, but I would recommend not using creamer. The sugar content is so freaking high. Just add cream (milk or milk alternative) and sugar to taste. It’ll be healthier. Ideally though, if you don’t like coffee, find another way to get your caffeine fix. Get some caffeine pills or some powder that you can add to juice in the morning, which would be healthier to consume (though also high in sugar, and be careful what kind of juice, some are largely HFCS).
I fill a glass of International Delight Caramel Macchiato and add dark roast coffee as needed to thin it out. 1 to 1 1/2 ounces of coffee is the sweet spot.
I’m not saying it’s unmanly or anything, but sweet jebus that’s a lot of sugar. It’s like 5grams per tablespoon. That’s like a third.
Nothing manlier then diabetes.
God this is like the whole “cocktails are girly, real men drink beers”. I don’t care, give me a Sex on the Beach or a rum and coke. Or a good beer. Life is way too short to drink something called bitter.
“It’s literally called bitter!”
I’m not sure about that. You may just be in an oppressive environment, like with trans people and their pronouns.
Hypermasculinity’s “oppressors” include flowers, rainbows, other people choosing to wear dresses, a functioning government, and welfare.
Trans folks oppressors are the hypermasculine.
I’m not saying any specific group of people are always oppressed, just that if they are your previous statement is incorrect.
I understand your point. It’s just good to highlight the things that make these groups oppressed. For the hypermasculine it’s anything that hurts their little feelings, and for trans people it is actual real persecution. And only one of these groups goes around screaming about the victim complex these days 🙄
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(Alpha Male)
Since Alpha and Omega = Beginning and End, I always think an alpha male is a beginner at the art of being a male human and we should help them to become better at it.
Full release men with ongoing development are the best.
I do think self proclaimed “alpha males” need to be bullied about being still in development like some toddler. Or early Access game.
And the projections. The constant insults are ones they practice in the mirror because that’s the person it applies to the most
A guy who used to cut my hair was rumored to be a hitman for the mafia. Nice guy. Really mild mannered. Last person who you would ever suspect of killing people.
I actually believe the rumor because an actual hitman will make sure that he’s the last person that you would ever suspect.
The scientists who had to denounce climate change back in the days very much disagree with you.
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I said it before too but:
Gotta take the statement in context of the thread. I am sure there are a lot of people in environments that they have to continuously assert themselves just to be heard let alone recognized. The cis white men who typically embody this toxic masculinity are not in an oppressive environment, they are creating the oppressive environment.
Seems to be a big deal when you start talking guns and mental health, but with all the fixations on “mass shootings”, they lose this little stat:
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
“In 2021, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S., according to the CDC. That figure includes gun murders and gun suicides, along with three less common types of gun-related deaths tracked by the CDC: those that were accidental, those that involved law enforcement and those whose circumstances could not be determined.”
54% of those deaths were suicides. 26,368.
(43% murder, 3% “other”, accidents, etc.)
Also in 2021, 38,358 men committed suicide compared to 9,825 women.
https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/suicide-data-statistics.html
3.9:1, if almost 4x more women than men were dying for any reason, it would be a national crisis. “Something would have to be done!”
Mental health for men? Silence.
I hear what you are saying but I wouldn’t even say that line about if it were women it’d be a national crisis. Time has shown again and again that society will gladly throw away a group of people without needing to devalue your words with a statement like that.
Anyway there’s a lot of things to discuss around this.
We can dive into the societal role of men with being encouraged to bottle up because “grown men don’t cry” and toxic masculinity.
We can talk about rates of gun ownership between genders that is a big factor in suicide risk.
We can unpack the issue with people not having the money for mental health resources. Which can be solved through general wage increases or through the state.
The point is to say that instead of using a crisis to step another group of people we should be approaching these things from a point of intersectionality.
Edit: Just to be on topic I am completely for restrictions on guns as a easier means to dealing with shootings.
The crazy people shouting “dont take my guns” while also touting the line of “it’s a mental health isssue” without being open to addressing that problem gets me so worked up.
You were doing so well until you tried the “People care so much more about women’s health! Pity me!” line.
Strange how Viagra is required to be covered by all insurance but birth control isn’t. Whose priorities are privileged there?
It’s not about pitying me, it’s about pitying the state of men in general, where, if the genders were reversed, it would be considered a national crisis.
For example:
https://universitybusiness.com/men-are-falling-behind-in-higher-ed-and-it-may-not-be-letting-up/
Key stats:
“Women became the majority demographic to attend college decades ago, and today, they make up almost 60% of U.S. college undergraduates.”
(between 2017 and 2022) “male enrollment at 4-year public institutions has dropped nearly 6% more than women, according to the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center. Among all student demographics in this sector, white men experienced the sharpest decline in enrollment, falling nearly 20%.”
“The rate at which men are graduating from 4-year institutions is 6% less than that of women, according to the National Center for Education Statistics.”
“The Class of 2023 reported that while 68% of young men want to go to college, only 57% expect to actually attend. On the other hand, 83% of young women want to go to college, and 77% expect to go.”
Or…
“In 2021, the average life expectancy was 73.2 years for men and 79.1 years for women.”
None of this is incorrect.
But I have been hearing about this plenty. For example, in the article we are discussing.
it would be a national crisis. “Something would have to be done!”
People are already saying something has to be done because it is a national crisis. Toxic gun culture prevents any serious actions
The right has been pretty open about what kind of America they want to live in and what they’re willing to do to get there. We should all believe them and take them seriously, because they are fucking serious.
Fascist militias are popping up left and right, and the only gun control measures that pass end up restricting the rights of citizens in blue states while red states continue expanding their own. Unless you can magically disarm the entire nation simultaneously that cat is out of the bag.
I’m optimistic about the future and hold no deluded fantasies of armed conflict, but there may come a time where you’ll wish you had access to normal capacity magazines and non-nerfed rifles. Jon Stewart is not going to come rescue you when they have you on your knees in front of a ditch.
Disarming the working class under the current hyper-capitalist regime doesn’t really work in our favor either, and in most instances gun control is proven to be a political loser that equals to nothing more than a waste of time/effort and only serves to cripple a campaign.
Solid.
Comprehensive mental health care for all is not being blocked by gun culture, it’s being blocked by the typical Republican calls of “SOCIALISM!!”
People aren’t silent about men successfully committing suicide at a higher rate to women. You hear about it all the time. However, it isn’t an issue about men being overlooked, like you imply. Women attempt suicide at a higher rate. Why didn’t you discuss that? Is it being ignored?
The fact of the matter is suicide by firearm is the worst offender. Attempted suicide needs to be prevented for everyone equally, but firearm ownership should be more restricted, and there should also be tools out there to get your firearms away from you temporarily if you’re feeling suicidal or depressed. Men are more likely to own firearms, which is the issue that needs addressing to fix the disparity, not men being ignored.
Real question here. I don’t know how the number of attempts is calculated. If a single person attempts unsuccessfully 3 times, then is that recorded as 3 separate attempts? Or is this recording the number of unique people who have attempted suicide any number of times?
If it’s the former then it may be an indicator that women prefer methods of suicide that are less likely to succeed, but it is much harder to tell how many individual women actually attempt suicide compared to men.
Also, if a person is suffering enough that they’re seriously contemplating suicide, is taking that option away from them really the right thing to do? There’s also the issue of any such system being abused. It’s easy to imagine law enforcement using this as a way to disarm groups and individuals for political reasons.
For the first part, I’m not sure how it’s counted.
For the last, I think we need legalized assisted suicide. I don’t think suicide should be taken on a whim, but I do think it should be legal for people suffering, and they should have access to painless methods. They should first be checked to see if there’s anything we can do to help them though. (All of this should be paid for through taxes, not by the person suffering. Elon Musk has more than enough money to cover this for everyone.)
54% of those deaths were suicides. 26,368.
Mental health for men? Silence.
There are people who advocate for “men’s rights” things, but they’re mostly conservatives, and they leave out the horrifying statistics about gun ownership among men because they’re also in the pocket of the gun lobby.
It’s a taboo subject even amongst family members of those affected to talk about the role of firearms in suicide.
The reality is that gun ownership can turn a bad, lonely night into a person’s last one by pure virtue of the fact that it’s so readily available, and so often deadly.
If your bad, lonely night is that bad and lonely, you probably were unstable to begin with.
I wonder how many of those gun suicides were actually impulsive, and how many were premeditated.
You don’t have to wonder, this has been studied: Gun owners and their families are up to 8 times much more likely to kill themselves than are non-gun-owners.
That doesn’t include attempts though. I think we agree that guns are most effective, but I’d like to see if gun owners are more predisposed to attempt than non gunners
So close…
Mental health is not considered enough in general. What makes you think it is worth for men?
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Your misunderstanding is thinking everyone left of center wants to round up all the guns, ripping them from the hands of anyone who wont give them willingly. Anyone who has thought about it knows we cant get rid of every last gun and it would be a tireless effort, like the war on drugs, to try.
No, I only ask we do a better job at regulating these weapons. It is no small task and it will always come down to how well a job our local communities are doing. The real issue is just as the article states, people aren’t getting the social services they need and are being driven into poverty by an oppressive work culture. There is no way any poor community can deal with these issues with everything else that’s going on while having zero resources.
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I agree, but at the same time you can’t deny the statistic. The US is the only developed country with regular mass shootings. We are behind the ball when it comes to Healthcare but I’m inclined to believe that isn’t the only factor.
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Ridiculous take
Which states are taking the weapons you would use for self defense?
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The original argument was, 'how will I protect myself."
In a self defense situation I believe a hand gun will suffice.
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Mm. Ok, but I am much more practical then you are. So, I’m not sure I am equipped to address all your concerns about what rights are being infringed and what a well regulated militia is. What commas go where…
I’m not sure it would be a tireless effort:
Step 1: offer major tax incentives for turning in your gun. Turning in a $500 handgun? $2000 tax write off. Something like that.
Step 2: I believe we have serial numbers in all guns right? Could we then charge a license fee for their ownership? Own a $500 handgun? Fun ownership costs police more money to do their jobs. Pay a yearly $50 fee to keep your gun.
Step 2b: Along with that fee, before you can own a gun you must attend an extensive class on the use, safety, and safe storage of your gun. Understand if your gun is used by another, you bear a portion of blame if it is used improperly.
Step 2c: After initial training, must attend annual (or maybe biannual) refresher. These can be fun. A get together with other gun enthusiasts and the opportunity to shoot at a range together. But a reiteration of safety.
Even if that didn’t get rid of all guns, the remaining ones would be much better taken care of. I think Switzerland has a high rate of gun ownership but doesn’t seem to have America’s issue with them. I think the difference is training before they get their guns.
Until 75% of the country agrees with you that they don’t want or need the right to bear arms, everything listed after step 1 is unconstitutional. The reason being that you cannot add cost or hoops to jump through to exercise rights. Test all of these with any other right and see how fucked up it is. The following should be taken slightly tongue in cheek, but illustrating the difference in treatment people have with the second clear through absurdity.
Step 1: Offer major tax incentives to not vote or wave your right to searches and seizures. Skip the presidential election? $2000 tax write off. Allow the police to search your home and vehicle at any time they want? $5000 tax write off.
Step 2: You have to have a state issued ID for services. Could we charge a license fee to access the polls, or perform any sort of protest action? Want to vote? $200 for your voter ID stamp that lasts 4 years. Want to join a protest or picket? The police might need to keep the peace. $50 per protest.
Step 2b: Along with these fees, before you can vote you need to attend an extensive class on the people and issues on the ballot, run by either the DNC or RNC based on if your state is red or blue (or whomever paid the most for the position). If you want to post politically inclined statements in print or electronically, you need to attend journalism training on safe words and opinions. Understand that if you hurt or offended someone with statements you made, you are legally responsible for that distress.
Step 2c: After initial voter education training, journalism training, and jury process training, you must attend at least biannual refresher courses to ensure you are educated on the recommended politicians and proposed laws, changes in acceptable speech and societal norms, and how to be a good juror to retain the right to a free jury. These can be fun. A get together of all your fellow citizens as you are reeducated on how the government wants you to use your rights.
This might not prevent people from voting for the wrong candidates and laws, but the remaining model citizens will keep the discord in society down. China has a vastly higher number of citizens than the US, but doesn’t have all of the political instability and fighting. I think the difference is the mandatory citizen training and reeducation camps.
Thank you for this perspective. It nicely illustrates why the simple solution I suggested is not simple at all.
Thank you for even objectively considering my perspective. The 2nd amendment has a metric shitload of strong feelings surrounding it, which makes it an outlier from all the other rights in the constitution currently. I personally believe every right needs to be defended equally zealously, because there is always a tendency towards erroding them. I wouldn’t even put it past some politicians to actually try my ludicrous voter suppression parts by offering monetary incentives to not vote in districts that aren’t already gerrymandered to hell. Or the same for 4th amendment rights. Looking at you, fascist wing of the GOP.
The constitution is intended to grow and evolve with the country, which is why we have ways to do this. It’s not easy though, by design. Obviously SOMETHING needs to change, be it guns, mental health, policing, wealth equality, or personal security. I, once again personally, think that the root cause of violent crime lies under wealth inequality, lack of feeling secure and productive in society/their community, and physical/mental health rather than just access to firearms. I also think it is easier to get a simple majority of the country to agree to fixing our broken healthcare system, and make substantive steps to curb wealth inequality than it is to get 75% of both houses of Congress and then 75% of State Governments to agree to reduce or eliminate gun rights. But I know I’m an outlier here myself, and there are better minds than mine out there.
I’d love to have a viable candidate to vote for that wants to keep individual gun rights, implement a UBI in place of the rats nest of gutted social services, offer universal healthcare to include mental health, fix the tax code, close loopholes, tax automation, and codify abortion, gay marriage, and LGBTQ rights. But since that wouldn’t rile up the extreme ends of the voter bases, I won’t be holding my breath.
My point simply was you will never be able to get all the guns off the street. You can create incentives, laws, etc. but they will only be as effective as maybe the drug laws we enforce. Basically if we implemented what you suggested what we would get is better regulation. The end goal isn’t forcibly remove all guns from circulation. So when it comes ro personal protection yes you can still pray to the mighty hand gun.
Well, point of fact, the article in question here leads off with a link to a proposed rewrite of the 2nd amendment to abolish the right to private gun ownership.
That’s fucking stupid, and will never happen in any of our lifetimes. If you disagree, please read up on the process for changing Constitutional Amendments in the USA and then take a look at the political demographics of our 50 states.
There’s no way you could get 3/4 of the 50 states to agree to abolish our 2A rights. And that is a wonderful fact that I celebrate because I love our freedom.
So you want people to arm themselves to keep the most well equipped police force in the world in check? I’ll wait for you to see the flaw in your argument…
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Basically the Stanford prison experiment tbh.
The most well equipped place force in the world seems to be scared of school shooters. They may have equipment but they have no real training outside of “everyone wants to kill you, here’s how you can get away with killing them”
“manliness”
In this context, the definition is being a chronic asshole and getting away with it.
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Well, hopefully you didn’t get her beaten by an abusive spouse.
I have never eaten a cake that had “masculine features and designs”
How about a cake in the shape of a bicep, kind of like this flyer?
I know this goes a bit off from the article (I skimmed). But I think a lot of this toxic masculinity comes from decades of media on what a American man should be.
They need to be strong, independent, smart (sometimes), ingenious, a natural leader, angry at the “system”, can shoot any gun with perfection, solve most all problems with a gun or a fist fight, never show any type of remorse or trauma from their violent “solutions”, muscular, always get the girl, only drink brown liquors or beer, never bend, never negotiate, always win, and can walk away from an explosion without flinching.
This shit has been around since the 1940’s and it still in use today. It used to be the Lone Ranger, Superman, batman. Then it was the strong independent cowboy taking on the “savages”, The 70’s it was Charles Bronson and Clint Eastwood taking on the Gangs of the inner cities. The 80’s and 90’s were Rambo and terminator, the 2000’s with Mission Impossible, Jason Borne, John Wick. And James Bond all through out. Just to name a few
Not to take away from the entertainment of these movies and characters but I see lot’s of men that take these fictional characters and try to make it their personality. But reality doesn’t work that way. They can’t go shoot your problems away. Hot women just don’t fall leg spread for these guys (which makes them angrier). AND some men don’t want to be this unrealistic version of an American man. Which for some reason pisses off those men that do want it…
Agreed. However, something has to be said for the fact that a lot of American society and economy has shifted value away from “dangerous” or otherwise physically demanding labor (e.g. coal mining, farm field work before automation) towards jobs that don’t depend on how much muscle mass you have or other expressions of sex hormones. That value system was encoded into cultural norms and media, which, without the corresponding environment, just became a caricature.
The problem of focusing too much on the culture is that we miss what shaped it in the first place: a need to feel valued. If men aren’t valued for their physique (or, to be frank, their biological expendability), then what’s their value? The Left was too afraid of ruining their Feminist credibility to offer any serious solutions. Meanwhile, the Right leaned in to that caricature, and offered a solution full of misogyny and arrogance. When presented a choice between an awful solution and no solution, it’s no wonder so many men fell prey to toxicity.
We need more non-toxic masculinity.
I don’t get this idea of having to have the state or society fulfill the need to be valued at all. Can you please explain further what you mean by that?
Didn’t mention the state, but it’s also relevant…
A group of people (e.g. organization, community, society, corporation, government, etc.) is capable of collectively attributing value. People need to feel valued. Therefore a group of people is capable of fulfilling people’s need to feel valued.
I’m not proposing a mandate, just a practical accounting.
But what do you mean in practicality? Something like equal rights or how much people are paid?
I think for example in certain jobs it’s mostly the pay that makes people feel not valued enough. When you have less money you can’t participate the same way as your neighbours or friends and then you feel left behind.
There’s more to how people express or feel value. For example, these are some virtues people seem to value: honor, respect, trust, accomplishment, pride, duty, loyalty.
Money is just one way an employer can convey value to their employees or a customer coveys value to a business. It may come as a shock, but outside of those relationships, money isn’t actually all that valuable.
Imagine someone being your friend just because you give them money… That’s what I mean.
Things like loyalty, honor, trust, accomplishment, etc. are happening in people themselves or in the personal relationships of individuals. How can a group of people give that to other people, when you don’t mean equal rights?
The one example I can think of are orders of merit. But these are obviously not things people need to thrive or experience feeling valued.
How can a group of people give that to other people, when you don’t mean equal rights?
Because the point of the post is mental health, not the merits of egalitarianism. I just wanted to point out that, for the gross majority of human history, men’s muscles and reproductive expendability were uniquely valuable traits. With automation and intellectual pursuits, those traits aren’t quite so necessary.
Or am I misunderstanding?
And also their tendency to unleash face-eating leopards.
In my humble opinion all these fellas just seem to be running around like a beheaded chicken in search for the slightest amount self worth. Instead they started yearning for surrogates like wealth, power, status and what not.
The problem with these surrogates is that you cannot ever get enough of it. It’ll never fill the gaping hole which is their sense of self.
Ugh. In these comments I see we’ve evolved from “men should man up and stop whining” to “men should stop manning up and theoretically start whining, but in practice still stop whining actually.”
It’s not their attitudes causing massive increases in suicides and deaths of despair, you fools. It’s material conditions. And it’s not caused by the right wing trolls who might try to take advantage. shoeonhead got it right imo
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I just read the article and it’s one of the stupidest and most beligerently ideological things I’ve ever read.
Masculinity above logic is NOT the move
Be "masculine, be “feminine,” nobody gives a fuck.
Go to a therapist if you’re struggling with your mental health.
Stop bringing your toxic-masculinity as an excuse to buy guns and hate minorities.
The enormous numbers of people killing themselves are not necessarily buying guns or hating minorities. And therapy can only respond to pre-exisitng problems. If there are society-wide problems creating terrible living conditions, we need a society-wide prevention scheme.
Or you can spew vile hatred and pretend it’s because you’re against hatred.
And therapy can only respond to pre-exisitng problems.
You couldn’t possibly be more wrong about this one
You’re suggesting that the cause of a wave of suicides is only a lack of therapy? There’s nothing else behind it?
Well, I mean therapy would certainly help.
Therapy can possibly help heal. I’m more interested in reducing the conditions which make therapy necessary.
You don’t understand. You don’t need to have a mental health condition to go to therapy. Healthy minded people benefit from therapy as well to put their emotions and thoughts into perspective.
Increase gun ownership is likely a factor, among many other factors.
Increased gun ownership isn’t causing a mental health crisis.
No, but it’s causing suicide attempts turn into suicides. If you try to OD or whatever, your chances of death are much lower than if you try to see what the barrel of your gun tastes like.
So angry for no reason. Maybe implement changes that will fix the problem?.. There is another 100k a year just conking out to fent.
There are so many issues for randoms to be defending 2a like it will somehow save the USA from this cesspool
Where are you getting this 2a stuff from? How is it even related? Nobody said that guns will save the USA from suicides and overdoses. You’re talking nonsense.
And who is “angry for no reason?” You’re the one angry at men who are killing themselves. This is super weird and cruel.
we need a society-wide prevention scheme.
If your “prevention scheme” is not exclusively limiting gun sales, you’ve definitely been drinking the 2a koolaid
why “exclusively” ?
How will it prevent people from wanting to kill themselves?
Bam! Nailed it.
Go to a therapist if you’re struggling with your mental health
Easy to say. Difficult to do. Even among Americans who have health insurance, access to mental healthcare is abysmal.
IMO, the focus should be on being a good person and not on conforming to unrealistic gender stereotypes. One’s gender presentation (or lack) is enhanced by universal positive attributes like honesty, confidence, commitment, charity, etc. This is not an original idea, but thought it worth saying.
Well said. We all spend a lot of time criticizing, and not enough time building up. Here are a few more (rather heavily paraphrased) ways to be a good person that I feel strongly about:
Admire people who recognize their insufficiency, mourn, show humility, seek justice, are merciful, have a pure heart, work for peace, or are oppressed for doing the right thing.
Understand you’re incapable of perfection, and so is everybody else.
If you’re angry with someone, call them an idiot, or curse them, beware of the consequences.
Settle conflict with others quickly before it escalates.
Be faithful to all your vows in both thought and action.
Resist the urge for vengeance; flip the script by going above and beyond for those who take advantage of you.
Give to those who ask for help or want to borrow what you have.
Stand out from the crowd by showing kindness and compassion to those who hate you.
Why is both Reddit and lemmy politics both just filled with leftist propaganda?
Real question, it’s impossible to see both content as in these places it’s just “trump bad, Biden god” well sorry, both are horrible people I want to see both sides.
Notice how this article does not mention Biden?
It’s because you very rarely see people praising Biden as most of the left does not particularly like him, let alone worship him like the right does with Donnie Dipshit.
So essentially, you aren’t mad at news that says “Trump bad, Biden good”; you’re just mad at any news that simply says “Trump bad” and cant seem to fathom why there’s not an equal number of articles saying Biden bad.
Well it’s because one side is doing way more awful shit way more often.
I don’t care about this article, I’m talking in general of this sub and reddits defaults.
Biden fucks up, it isn’t posted yet people bring up trump’s fuck ups all the time. Surely the focus would be on the current standing president and how he acts and what he does no?
I knew I would get downvotes for asking this simple question, can’t have people not on the far left thinking…
Well it’s because one side is doing way more awful shit way more often.
I’d love to see the drugs found at the white house mentioned on these types of subs. Or the numerous times Biden has slipped up in talking like saying “god save the queen” for example, if trump did it, even now. It would be everywhere
A racist, sexist, bigot, unrefined bumbling moron who was born into huge wealth and still managed to lose money to the average market, did a whole lot more than just slip ups.
My brother in Christ you can’t possibly compare gassing people out of a church for a quick anti-christ photoshoot with misplacing a word.
And don’t even dare bringing up drugs. Like the Don and Donnie aren’t high as fuck.
You know why no one cares about Hunter? He’s not in the White House. You know who was? Someone elses kids.
So yes, Orange Man bad. Very very bad, that’s why he’s being sued from every possible angle, because he broke so many laws. Don’t act like it’s anywhere close to comparable.
Tldr
Biased as fuck towards the extreme left
Thanks, I will look else where for actual news about current President and what’s happening
What extreme left?
Are we going to dismantle capitalism now?
If you see actual news, you know very well there’s nothing extremely left going on anywhere.
Just because you put your faith in a bad actor, who turns out to be a very bad option, doesn’t make rest of the world extreme.
Turning a blind eye to reality makes you the extreme one.
No of course not, it’s just extreme right isn’t it
Yes, it’s globally on the rise, as the history keeps on repeating itself.
What do you consider extreme right and extreme left?
Butting in here. I’m a stark centrist.
…Trump was an absolute shit show. With Trump, the right lost all claim to moral high ground – which is incredibly unfortunate, because it hands the left the keys to the castle. Sure, Trump had some good policy decisions, in some areas. But it wasn’t worth the cost. The right sacrificed their morals for power, amd lost their power in the process, plain and simple.
…now they’ll slowly need to rebuild, and as they do, the left will be implementing so much naive and corrupt shit that the nation will be paying for it for the next 50 years* - and that’s how the right will be paying for Trump, the ‘right wing’ poster boy who has no real right wing ideals.
*or, would be, if we weren’t headed for total financial ruin
Can you name them?
But again, irrelevant. Post the shitshow Biden is doing, he is the current standing president yet people can’t seem to let trump go because what? That’s what you’re told?
I didn’t say Biden was doing any good. The topic was Trump. Why I don’t let go of Trump’s presidency is because he’s decimated the right’s claim to ant kind of moral authority. There are other presidents I don’t let go of, but they weren’t topical.
By all means.
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Who gives a shit about drugs in the white house lol
Fucking amazing thank you for showing the bias
I don’t give a shit that Trump’s kid is high as a kite either. I don’t give a shit about people doing drugs. Drugs are kickass. It makes sense people would do drugs.
I care about actual news.
If it came out trump’s kid was doing cocaine in the office then it would’ve made news and people would still bring it up
It did make the news and they did bring it up but I, personally, don’t care
Nah. One side is doing awful shit out of power steered by naivete, and the other side is doing awful shit out of naivete steered by power. Neither are particularly bad, really, it’s just that they’re both painfully stupid, and are steering the species towards death by pampering or death by power mongering.
Why is both Reddit and lemmy politics both just filled with leftist propaganda?
Sorry, not every website can be as good as TruthSocial.
Is truth social equal and not biased?
I’m sure you’ll think so. It doesn’t have any of that terrible evil liberal propaganda and lots of messages from the God Emperor about how he’s totally innocent.
So you’re telling me it shows both parties at their worst and that’s what makes it bad?
No wonder the meme about the left pushing a centralist is so right . You guys really see things in good v evil
I’m pretty sure that’s not what I’m telling you.
This seems like kinda a weird explanation.
Lol BOTH SIDES
Yes, sorry if that is seen as propaganda if anything is ever posted that could show the democrats/liberals in a bad light
The problem is that liberals want to give people healthcare and conservatives want to control people’s bodily autonomy and you think those 2 things hold the same value. I wish you were able to understand, but I know you can’t.
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If this isn’t sarcasm, what is that based on?
Maybe people on the right are less likely to seek out help from mental health professionals. People on the left have less reservations about it, and therefore see more diagnoses.
That where my mind went as well, selection bias.
I’d bet they assume anything they don’t like is mental illness. Probably anyone LGBTQ is mentally ill by their definition. Anything they agree with is mental prowess though. People can hold whatever opinions they want, but some are more valid than others, and this one is not valid.
if you try “leftists (or liberals) more likely to be mentally ill” in a search engine you see things like:
American adults who identify as politically liberal have long reported lower levels of happiness and psychological well-being than conservatives, a trend that mental-health experts suspect is at least partly explained by liberals’ tendency to spend more time worrying about stress-inducing topics like racial injustice, income inequality, gun violence, and climate change.
https://magazine.columbia.edu/article/why-depression-rates-are-higher-among-liberals
America, not even once.
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