Hello, I know that the fediverse contains many challengers to the walled garden approach of the main stream social media options. But, unless I miss comprehend, the fediverse isn’t anything new, more a return to how things were in the the past. Case in point Newsgroups. Why aren’t they mentioned in the same breath as Lemmy, kbin or Mastodon?

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    Because they’re ancient, depreciated, and technically obsolete.

    For example: usenet groups are essentially unmoderated, which allows spammers, trolls, and bad actors free reign to do what it is they do. This was not a design consideration when usenet was being developed, because the assumption was all the users would have a name, email, and traceable identity so if you acted like a stupid shit, everyone already knew exactly who you were, where you worked/went to school, and could apply actual real-world social pressure to you to stop being a stupid fuck.

    This, of course, does not work anymore, and has basically been the primary driver of why usenet has just plain died as a discussion forum because you just can’t have an unmoderated anything without it turning into the worst of 4chan, twitter, and insert-nazi-site-of-choice-here combined with a nonstop flood of spam and scams.

    So it died, everyone moved on, and I don’t think that there’s really anyone who thinks the global usenet backbone is salvagable as a communications method.

    HOWEVER, you can of course run your own NNTP server and limit access via local accounts and simply not take the big global feed. It’s useful as a protocol, but then, at that point, why use NNTP over a forum software, or Lemmy (even if it’s not federating), or whatever?

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      This was not a design consideration when usenet was being developed, because the assumption was all the users would have a name, email, and traceable identity so if you acted like a stupid shit, everyone already knew exactly who you were, where you worked/went to school, and could apply actual real-world social pressure to you to stop being a stupid fuck.

      The first email spammer got a call from the US Air Force Major in charge of ARPANET and nobody send spam for a while. We should have kept doing that.