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      The sad thing is that your grandfathers were sent to fight and die in Europe only when it hurt America’s economic interests.

      This isn’t a knock on your grandfather’s legacy.

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        Why is this man being downvoted? He’s correct. That is the historical reason America got involved.

        There were tens of millions of Americans that supported the Germans/Nazi party, and the rest basically didn’t want to get involved on the world stage again.

        The real evils of the Nazi regime weren’t realized until the last year or so of the war when we pushed in through the incursion areas and saw the camps and horrid treatment/deaths of the “undesirables”. Then it became a true moral outrage that brokered no dissension. Until then, it was because we had 4billion+ in loans to Germany they were repaying us after our costs for WW1, among other financial incentives.

        Claiming otherwise is whitewashing history.

        America has never been a particularly great country. Don’t let the school propaganda fool you. We’ve done things nearly as bad, and in some cases worse, than the Nazi party in our past. But nobody started a world war about it because we kept it within our borders (e.g. the Native American genocide, slavery, etc.).

        I think the individual people who went to war from America in WW2 were doing the right thing, and believed in it for the right reasons. But the people at the top pulling the strings? Financial justifications all the way down.

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          Hitler literally modelled his policies after the American ones, but it’s easier to talk about an absolute evil that sprouted out of nowhere.

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          Is this the new Russian taking point?

          We’re going to ignore Pearl Harbor?

          We’re going to say we’re worse than the Nazis exterminating millions of people and performing live medical experiments on people?

          How do you feel about NATO?

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            Black Americans were experimented on till 1972, for god’s sake. Get off your white horse and realize that America’s been wading oceans of blood.

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    I’m exhausted from all of this and it’s not even January. How have we reached a point where Nazism is back in vogue?

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      The story of the 21st century has been the repeated and ongoing failure of the western political class.

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        Early 20th century we had the influenza pandemic where a certain part of the population refused to wash hands and wear masks. It also saw the rise of Nazis.

        Early 21th century we had a covid pandemic where a certain part of the population refused to wash hands and wear masks. It also saw the rise of Nazis.

        History sure loves to repeat itself.

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    I wonder if Musk’s heavy right wing position is one of:

    • just him trying to sell more cars (to people who subscribe to right wing positions, as well as left wing people buying them for environmental reasons)
    • fun, seeing how much he personally can fuck things up
    • because Heinlein said in several books that authoritarianism is good for business
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      He was never really liberal, but he had a nasty divorce and went mask off because of it. Same thing happened to Scott Adams. Adams was never really pro worker. He just repeated the stories people would send him and kept doing it because he liked the attention, causing a feedback loop. Musk had that going with the EVs and Mars mission talks. But he kept getting criticism over dates being missed and the divorce cracked him. He then started seeking approval from a less scrupulous group.

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      He gathered the wealth and realized his life is empty and people still cringed when he walked in a room and left in disgust when he spoke. In general, folks on the left, who were more associated with tech until recently, are typically more educated and don’t blindly cheer at catch phrases and bumper stickers without any depth in their support - The right wing does.

      elon wants friends and a dad who will love him, the right wing will pretend as long as the money flows.

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      He’s really just that brain damaged. A couple of weeks ago I read a book about his takeover of Twitter and even his day-to-day behaviors are completely unhinged. He is surrounded by sycophants and weirdos and has lost touch with reality years ago.

      The book is “Character Limit” by Conger and Mac.

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          Yeah, it’s really great journalistic work. The authors talked to a lot of people to get their side of what happened.

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      Corporations are often the most authoritarian structures on the earth. We just tolerate them for dumb reasons (being told there’s no alternative to capitalism).

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      While those might be reasons, he has claimed its because of his trans daughter. It’s a pretty disgusting stance.

      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/aug/09/elon-musks-journey-from-humanitarian-to-poster-of-rightwing-memes

      Emphasis mine below

      According to his biographer, Walter Isaacson, around this period Musk began sending “rightwing memes and conspiracy theories” to Grimes, who replied: “Is this from 4chan or something? You’re actually starting to sound like someone from the far right.”

      At the same time, his daughter Vivian came out as transgender and changed her name, declaring that she no longer wanted to “be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form”.

      Musk himself has cited Vivian as a reason for his political shift, telling the pop psychologist Jordan Peterson that he had “lost [his] son [sic], essentially”, and concluding that his son “is dead, killed by the woke mind virus”.

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      I was in the market for a new car. And Tesla was not even on my long list of cars to consider, precisely because of Herr Sturmbahnführer Musk.

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    I won’t be happy until every article headline written about space Karen refers to him as Adrian Dittmann.

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    Remember when Kanye “went away” after pro-Hitler comments?

    Let’s see if Musky goes all the way.

    Edit: a ? mark

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    This article is still about the recent Welt op-ed. Just so nobody gets the impression, that Elon did something else yesterday.

    Not that any of this excuses the opinions he shared with the world already.

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    I hope we collectively realize, to a point of action, that this is Hitler but also the richest person in the world with fans everywhere for multiple reasons before we instead have to document further atrocities.

    Edit: And him and his presidential bitch are juvenile with at least one with intelligence to match.