I was kicked out of rentals multiple times for being visibly queer. I was scared out of some more by people who even moved after me, but made my life a living hell just for being queer. I was driven into near daily crying during highschool by my peers and sometimes even teachers. I was regularly spat on in public with no reaction from other people. I had a car full of tank top wearing men stop with the intention of beating me up when I was in middle school because they thought I looked too much like a “f*g”. To see people, some of whom apparently so privileged they don’t even experience systematic queerphobia as per own admission, claim us here aren’t queer is so hurtful because it feels like it dismisses my entire lifetime of queer pain. Sincere fuck you to the people who make those claims. Maybe you are the one who isn’t even queer and just sows discord amogus. 
Yay new friend! Hoping that if defederation does happen some of the other cool people over there, however many they are, decide to make the same switch. Liberal queer people just depress me. I sort of get psychologically how one can get temporarily attached to the idea that the only salvation for queer people is the Democratic party (or whatever the equivalent in their country is). But the reality is, like i posted elsewhere, there is no queer liberation under capitalism. And NATO and neoimperliasm in general uphold the neoliberal capitalist world order.
Welcome, comrade.
Yeah I found myself getting genuinely quite upset to see the vitriol over there. I’ve lurked long enough to know half the accusations over there are abject lies.
Yeah its tricky, its not like any of us are born with class consciousness and I know my journey out of liberalism was an awkward affair but even at my most lib-pilled moments I didn’t go round crying about “the tankies”.
Lazy politics is in right now though and to confront the failings of our own systems is a bit of an existential crisis moment when you realise just how silly things really are.
It’s understandable, just not acceptable anymore. I mean how can these people see the erasure of women and queer rights under the dems or (equivalent neoliberal party, looking at you Labour party) or any of the other insane transphobia coming out of the west and possibly think these people have their best interests at heart? Cognitive dissonance doesn’t even cut that level of sheer denial.
Like didn’t the dems delay the gay marriage bill specifically till after the midterms to drum up support from the lgbtqi+ crowd or something? I can’t remember the specifics but like imagine thinking a party that weaponises your fucking rights to manufacture support is on your side.
I’d tell these people to log off but I’ve seen them derail enough irl queer groups that honestly it’s nice to see them contained to a weird little Liberal echo chamber.
Lmao sorry I’m venting now.
Nice to meet you too comrade 🫡
same. i sometimes wonder if they never had anything bad happen to them and have a rose tinted view of the world, but obviously that isnt always true either. whats the point in trying to be nice to people that wanna rip your guts out?? ill never fathom it beyond calling it stockholm syndrome
its also just… they believe this flowery shit that gets trans people killed in foreign countries. how do they not care?!
Most of them don’t realize it activly but subconciously they just want queer westerns to have the capitalist version of “equality” in whatever country they are from and for queer people to have their share of the plunder. In my experience with them its not actively, cognizant malicious but thats what drives it in the end.
I do think part of it as well is being trapped in the Overton window, where the Democrats or whatever their country’s equivalent is are the only socially accepted method of liberating queer people. As has been commented before, thats what “The left” is. I mean I certainly believed that at one point. So they cling to that out of fear of the outright fascists and think that voting for left-liberals is the only way to stop them. Its a fear response, and tbh a sort of understandable one. But when your reaction to seeing a better path to TRUE liberation is to violently reject it and close your ears, my sympathy starts to stop.
Probably an element of internalized assimilationism as well.
yeah ive always been a commie of some variety (and sometimes not describing myself as anything because i had a period of misanthropy where i hated everyone), so its a view that is extremely hard for me to understand
I’m definitely an ex-liberal so I get the mindset to an extent but like, it didn’t take me very long after exposure to communism to accept it as better. Accepting anti-imperialism was a bit harder admittedly it took a few struggles but I got there.