• Maggoty@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    Fucking team politics. Just because I’m challenging how you view the world does not mean I’m on the other team.

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      9 days ago

      I understand what you’re saying. The answer is yes, we choose when violence is justified.

      Lemmy doesn’t do well with nuanced discussion. The communication dilemma present is the lack of the bridge between where one party in the discussion wants to continue narrowing the parameters of discussion until we are left with a binary choice (the quantum side of discussion) and the other party wants to keep the discussion broad and cognizant of all the variables (the general relativity side of discussion).

      Both sides have valid reasons for existing. Usually you do have to narrow parameters in order to actually come up with a solution or action to implement. Similarly to how in a valid experiment you attempt to control all variables except what you’re testing. But you also have to be aware of all the variables in the first place to adequately control them.

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        9 days ago

        And from what I’ve seen, narrowing it to glorifying violence is nothing more than an attempt to terminate the discussion altogether.

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          9 days ago

          Yeah, that may be true. Some people have their minds made up and they somehow think any further discussion is somehow a weakening of their position or something like that.

          I like to think that any fear of discussion simply means you’re afraid your reasons aren’t sound and you don’t want to question the reality that you may be acting on emotions rather than reason. I think you can definitely have this discussion rationally and still end up supporting what happened.

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        9 days ago

        That was a serious question. If things are okay just because we like them and not okay just because we don’t then what kind of morals are acting on? Yeah it came because I was frustrated that people can’t seem to get off trying to evade the idea of glorification. But it’s still serious, if your knee jerk reaction is to say it’s not a glorification because it’s justified then you run a real risk that vigilantism is only part of. Authoritarian states work the same way.

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          9 days ago

          If things are okay just because we like them and not okay just because we don’t

          That’s not the situation, nor what anyone is asserting. Who are you talking to?

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                9 days ago

                No because it was warranted and deserved. Take a look around, this is not an edgy opinion. The majority of Americans feel the way I do, why is that?

                I am one of the most non-violent people. I’ve never struck a person in 35 years of life. The only time violence is warranted is when it is a response to violence. Social murder warrants actual murder. Tens of thousands dead vs one CEO dead. You are crying about the wrong death

                From just above. Literally the person who made me ask that question. And sure enough it’s a call to mob violence while maintaining they are non violent. This is how this shit gets out of hand.

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                  8 days ago

                  None of that amounts to this:

                  If things are okay just because we like them and not okay just because we don’t then what kind of morals are acting on?

                  The reasons this was justifiable have been explained to you ad nauseum. You insist on pretending like its an arbitrary whim despite that. Do you cry every time a drug cartel kingpin gets shot?