From all the concern trolling I see in the other instances it’s clear that there’s no winning over these people. Everything is “Kremlin propaganda” to them. I do think a lot of chapos did go a little overboard with the PPB, but even thoughtful responses were met with the “hateful rhetoric” and “Kremlin talking points” BS. As always, it is to the Global South we must look to for any hope in the future…
it should be a wakeup call for us. “progressive” liberals’ interests are evidently so intertwined with those of the bourgeoisie that msm can snap their fingers and the whole internet is instantly back on team america.
I wish ppl would stop putting such an emphasis on deboonking propaganda for a bunch of students and labor aristocrats. propaganda only works because people are willing to believe in a system that still works for them. blaming everything on propaganda is I think often missing the point
if you engage on purely marketplace-of-ideas terms the best you’re going to get is the same as everyone else: one share of the pot from thermal motion randomly jostling a few disaffected libs off into communism, fascism, etc. there’s no reason to expect any particular advantage in this game, and in fact the deck is stacked against us