“My kids don’t want to hang out with me after I dismissed their opinions as a mental disorder and the party I voted for tries to control their bodies! Why must I suffer? I didn’t do anything to them directly! These kids today are so unfaaaair!”
What a jackass.
I hope his kids have a great holiday. Good on them for standing up for their beliefs.
Shocking his three daughters don’t support a felon who publicly brags about sexually assaulting women and wanting to bang his daughter.
“I openly voted against the interests of my own children and also openly claim they have a mental disorder for their views.”
Get fucked.
These people really are clueless. No appreciation at all for how their actions affect others. They get surprised when people stop putting themselves in harms way by simply not being around them.
Want your family back? Realize that what you think is some free speech populist revolution is just an excuse for a lot of people to be assholes and expect no consequences.
to be fair, democrats think voting for trump is a mental illness too.
not on anyone’s side here, just pointing out the hypocrisy
It’s not that Trumpism is a mental illness, more like you need to have a mental illness to be a Trump supporter.
this is no different than the right calling the left mentally ill.
both of you think you’re right, and I think the real answer is nobody is right.
“As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding.”
The dictators claims that all of their political opponents are terrorists is not analogous or equally valid to the terrorized political opponents calling the dictator a terrorist. If you can’t comprehend how those two groups are different — the logical separation between the conman who lies about everything and terrorizes his opponents, and every group he chooses to terrorize — then you either have the mental illness, or are most at risk to the propaganda (and future mental illness).
Pro tip! Only a fascist opposes ANTI-FAscism.
Please re-read the last line I wrote.
Hypocrisy is clutching your pearls and virtue signalling “Christian conservative values” while worshipping a “grab-em-by-the-pussy” false-profit who is the closest thing to the antichrist in living memory.
So yeah, only one of those groups has a literal mental illness, and they are also the hypocrites.
I let them vote how they wish
How wholesome
Isn’t he generous.
That was the word I was thinking of but couldn’t find.
Bless his heart.
That’s all you need to know about this shit stain.
But they certainly can’t do what they want with their own body! Why won’t they talk to me?? 😭
“I didn’t personally infringe on their rights at all”
All while voting against their interests. Sounds like a wonderful father.
That stuck out the most
There’s clearly more to this story. The simple fact that his username is “Conservative” indicates that he is one of those people that make their political ideology a major part of their identity.
This man is probably an insufferable ass.
Or he’s making it up.
I made my mother cry because she voted for Trump and I expressed my disapproval. She called my sister, who also voted for Harris, and my sister made her cry a second time.
We’re all having dinner tomorrow and we won’t bring up politics.
It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics.
I think my mom made a stupid decision. Oh well. She thinks I made a stupid decision.
If your politics define you so much that you abandon your people or you’re not disciplined enough to keep your mouth shut at family events where you’ll convince no one, that’s on you.
They bring it up and end up having a bad day, that’s on them. We simply agree to avoid politics and religion. It’s not that hard.
Edit: We’re doomed. We really are.
Unfortunately, my continued existence is labeled as “politics” so no, someone who voted against my rights to exist is not my family anymore.
The genders: male and political. The colours: white and political. The sexualities: straight and political.
Yet somehow the most common politician is straight white male.
You know what we call Germans who disagreed with Hitler on some issues and yet still supported him?
Nazis.
Nobody cares, or will ever remember anything other than that.
I guarantee the same thing was happening back then, people cutting off their family members because they supported a fascist dictatorship
One of my family members voted against my wife’s freedoms, he’s not family us anymore.
It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics
It’s really not. Politics determine your opinions and intentions regarding human rights and its violations. If my dad votes for Robodolf Mechahitler, he’s not my dad anymore. Someone voting for Trump would likely betray their own daughter when Gilead rises. If they wouldn’t, their vote is a contradiction to their character. I wouldn’t take something like this lightly.
It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics.
Right? Which is why the person in the original post shouldn’t have voted for the guy that wants to take away the rights of his daughters. By voting for Trump, he chose politics over family, not his daughters.
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Well, I see someone hasn’t been paying attention? As expected of a Trump voter, though.
It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics.
I think my mom made a stupid decision. Oh well. She thinks I made a stupid decision.
If your politics define you so much that you abandon your people or you’re not disciplined enough to keep your mouth shut at family events where you’ll convince no one, that’s on you.
Yes. It is fucking stupid.
But you know what’s worse? Supporting a political party over your daughters, who are facing the very real possibility they will have to die simply because of a miscarriage, or no longer having the right to vote. That they will be forced to carry the baby of their rapist. that their daughters may no be entitled to an education- even the shitty ones now provided- the same way they were.
Facing those threats… because you voted for that political party.
They’re not staying away, or “turning their back” on family because of politics. They’re doing so because his politics objectively suck and absolutely will bring harm to them and millions like them. (that is. women. Not to mention racial minorities, immigrants, anyone whose different from the white, cisgendered, conservative male arch type.)
It’s so interesting to see the complete disconnection on here with everyone else’s life.
his politics objectively suck and absolutely will bring harm to them and millions like them. (that is. women. Not to mention racial minorities, immigrants, anyone whose different from the white, cisgendered, conservative male arch type.)
will, will bring harm. Not talking about past harm, not even mentioning current harm. Just FUTURE harm. All of the middle class people on here are just fucking hilarious with their world views. If you’re wondering why most of the population sits out of voting, well you’re never going to see it. Cue the average ivory tower response,
Sure I’m going to go over a waterfall as soon as I go around that bend in the river up there, but why should I get my canoe out of the water now? I mean, everyone knows if a problem is in the future it doesn’t really exist!
FYI, dude, it’s not in the future. Women are dying from miscarriages now. Racially-motivated assaults are on the rise now. Nazis are marching through the streets now. Orange Hitler and his Project 2025 cabinet wants to just bring this bullshit nationwide, and they will do so.
I’m assuming everyone was confusing my statement as some type of pro-trump comment or dismissal of the election results?
I was literally talking about everything you just stated. Everyone is worried about what the Trump presidency is bringing when we are already there in terms of disparaging and effecting the population with our government’s actions. Everyone’s holding their breaths and speculating on what the next presidency will bring while completely ignoring all the crisis’s that are on-going currently.
I’m also flabbergasted that everyone is afraid of what the trump presidency will bring while those same problems have happened for generations and like they don’t currently exist. I suppose people just want to be outraged and I’m not helping with pointing out he’s just making a horrible system become that much worse. These problems existed before Trump for most of the populace.
will, will bring harm. Not talking about past harm, not even mentioning current harm. Just FUTURE harm.
Motherf, he’s not president yet.
It’s absolutely not stupid to turn your back on family because of politics.
It’s not a sports team, it’s conscious decisions that affect the law and how we are governed.
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God damn. I find centrists to be spineless pussies of the highest order.
You aren’t the voice of reason you think you are.
I guarantee the same exact shit was happening in the 1930s. People being disgusted that their family members would side with fascism and turn on mentally ill, Jewish, and gays.
Would you say the same thing about Germans turning on their family? Both leaders fought for turning their country into a fascist dictatorship best strips liberties from certain people only
Drag wishes there were fewer people in the world willing to set aside politics for family. People like that are destroying the world.
All these fools huddling up in their tribes, hoping it will just go away.
I don’t talk to anyone on this planet outside of my house, I need to just delete social media and hope I die before humanity cannibalizes itself.
“I voted for the idea that women aren’t people, now the women in my life don’t like me.”
Conservatives never learn anything. It’s part of why they’re conservative in the first place. They don’t grow, expand their minds, or learn from life. They hit a point where they harden and ruin relationships.
I mean the point of conservatism is to “not change”, or “conserve” the old ways. Learning by definition means understanding new ideas which may even lead to trying new things, aka trying to “progress”, a leftist idea.
“I let them”
Dudes showing internally he thinks he controls their votes. That he could’ve not let them had he chosen so.
So his daughters should be thankful for such a benevolent patriarch. /S
He clearly said in context “I let them vote in peace without objection or argument frome me”. Kind of like how I can either let your comment go or choose to respond without claiming to have control over you. The man is still ignorant AF though.
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I’m sorry, I think I misunderstand you. Are you suggesting you’d be an a****** for trying to persuade your friends and family to vote the way you want them to by voicing your objections, opinions, and making arguments?
Well it’s kind of semantics. The symbolism behind this is not the hill you’d want to die on. Letting somebody do something can either be allowing it or simply not disallowing it. I hate Trump and his low IQ followers, but that sentence does not imply anything.
can either be allowing it or simply not disallowing it
Exactly.
When I go take a shit, did you allow it, or not disallow it? Neither, because you have no agency over me, so it’d be a stupid fucking sentence.
I’m not saying he thinks he owns his daughters like some 16th century inbred minor noble.
But connotations and implications can exist even when they weren’t particularly intentional by the writer (or speaker.)
I let you waste my time but somehow I’m implying I own you.
Sure buddy.
You’re welcome for not disallowing you to post this. I will also allow you to reply with something snarky if you like.
Sure buddy
Just to be clear; I let you say that. /s
I’m very thankful for that
You are contriving crap out of thin air here.
“Now I have been informed that all three children are boycotting thanksgiving”.
Hmm, maybe it has something to do with shit talking them on twitter. Maybe, and this is just a guess, the family gatherings are not politics free zones but full of conspiracies and drama and more shit talking. Just a guess. But none of this is his fault, it’s those damn brainwashed libruls who are spoiling his fun. Now how is he going to do his trump victory lap if his daughters stay away?
Pretty sure they’re not boycotting thanksgiving and just boycotting him. They’ll probably have the best thanksgiving together in years.
Chuds don’t deserve love or respect from anybody.
Conservatives seem to have this weird belief that if they tried something and failed, then everything should be as if they never tried at all. Like, “attempted murder” just isn’t a thing in their eyes.
Maybe it’s just how their fragile egos handle not winning everything always.
Like, “attempted murder” just isn’t a thing in their eyes.
“You see, Birch, I’m presently incarcerated for a crime I didn’t even commit! ‘Attempted murder.’ Ha! Now, honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry? Do they?!” - Sideshow Bob from the episode of The Simpsons where he literally becomes the Republican mayoral candidate after calling into a right wing talk radio show.
When Trump won and starting talking about how unlikely it was, I half-expected him to break out into evil laughter ala Sideshow Bob in this scene. Which certainly would have been more honest.
Could he then get dragged through cactai while strapped to someone’s undercarriage and then step on rakes indefinitely? That’d be swell.
The love the fucking around, but they want to eliminate the finding out
They don’t win everything always?
With lines like “[your political opinion] is a mental disorder”, why is he surprised they aren’t coming?
what would you call trump voters?
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but the right says the same about the left
I’d call Trump voters Trump voters. I’m not sure I understand the question.
I’m just pointing out that both sides think the other is dumb.
And I don’t think either side is correct.
And this is exactly why I don’t affiliate with either major party.
I used to consider myself Republican because I was frustrated at the majority party (Democrat) always messing stuff up in my home state. I ended up moving for school to a red state, and the majority party there was always messing stuff up. It was then I realized that the problem isn’t with one party, it’s with politics in general.
I registered with the largest third party in my state (happens to be Libertarian) and I vote for whatever candidate I think is least bad. In 2016, that was Gary Johnson, in 2020 it was Joe Biden, and in 2024 it was Chase Oliver. It doesn’t really matter who I vote for because the R candidate will always win with at least 20% margin, so I vote my conscience.
I’m not saying both sides are the same, I’m saying both sides age liars and massive disappointments.
You think I’m unaware that some Harris voters would say “Conservatism is a mental disorder”? Is that your point?
Touché
It’s kinda sad that we ended up in this political division. It’s also sad that increasing hate and and anxiety (and missing education and reasoning) fuels this dumpfire of societal development. That doesn’t really increase hope in the future, as stuff like climate change further accelerates this…
I don’t see it so much a political division as it is that most of the world is simply not very intelligent.
It’s both, and not a contradiction? But I’d say the USA is indeed more progressed with this. Like both sides. They got really intelligent people but a lot of dumb people. Compared to other western societies, more, the toll of slowly erroding education and the split between poor and rich is progressing harder. Same with things like obesity which as we know of research is bad for brain development (rather the food that leads to this).
Yes I think intelligence is a spectrum and that neither side is more “correct” than the other.
I think there’s good and bad ideas from both sides depending on your perspective, and we have to concede that nobody has all the answers, and that we don’t know what we don’t know.
Probably… For me it’s more about the things that should be obvious, like burning fossil-fuels will extremely likely lead us in a worse state. But it seems that a big percentage of the western population doesn’t want to believe facts and logical reasoning anymore and I think this is a very dangerous thing, as we have seen in 1920-1945.
Your dinner, their choice
Well, golly gee, he “let” his independent, grown-ass adult offspring vote for the candidate of their own choosing. I can’t imagine why they’d spurn him after such selfless and generous act.
The vice president elect said people with kids should get more votes. The next step in that slippery slope is to have control of your grown-ass kid’s votes until they know how to “vote properly”.
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Slightly off topic:
When my parents divorced, I was bummed out that I had to attend two thanksgiving dinners. The second was not turkey. We charred hot dogs over an open fire (lived in the midwest at the time) and made smores. It was pretty great.
This had nothing to do with the election. It’s just a nice memory.
bummed out that I had to attend two thanksgiving dinners
I’m not skinny enough to understand this sentiment
Check out this random story from some guy.
I don’t know why my memory of hot dogs on an open fire and smores doesn’t appeal to you. We’re different.
I, too, choose this guy’s second dinner.
“Liberalism is a mental disorder” These people are very telling how they treat people who they think legitimately have mental illness.
Conservatives 🤝 Liberals
“The political positions I dislike are caused by mental illness”Socialists: "Hey guys maybe we could try not denigrating mental disorders? Maybe we could try building a left wing that welcomes and accepts the neurodivergent and marginalised?
Liberals: “Fuck you, we’ll never accept psychopaths like Trump!”
Socialists: “I never agreed with you that Trump is a psychopath. We don’t have to accept Trump in order to treat ASPD folks with dignity!”
Liberals: “You’re disgusting, enabling abusers like that. If we treat psychopaths with basic dignity, they’ll only use it to abuse us!”
Yeah, that definitely sounds like a real conversation.
Oh, so now they’re delusional too?!
/S
And even if it were, we should totally go to the extreme of tolerating psychopaths
The name of that socialist? Albert Einstein.
And everyone clapped.
Words like psychopath have a common usage for people not in psychology/psychiatry. I’m sorry that we’re not meeting the clinical definition that you want, but I don’t think ranting about it all over Lemmy is going to help anything.
When the average nonspecialist individual thinks “psychopath” they think of someone like Hannibal Lecter, who is dangerous and must be locked up to prevent them harming others, and that’s not going to change from a short form text post. It would take a semester of psychology.
Then we should make psychology a compulsory subject in high school.
Yeah drag, we probably should. More education is pretty much always good
Unfortunately, most Lemmy users are past high school age, so we’ll have to educate them ourselves.
Yeah, but remember the honey and vinegar metaphor.
Actually, flies love vinegar. It smells like rotting flesh, which is a great place to go lay eggs.
This unintuitive fact matches the truth that being rude to people is an important part of the process of personal growth. Getting people to change takes a carrot AND a stick. When they do change, they’ll remember the carrot more easily. But the stick is important too. You can see this politically with the fact that the government likes to praise MLK for his nonviolent methods, but Malcolm X is the one who got Reagan to pass gun control laws in California. MLK’s movement was threatening because the politicians knew that if they didn’t work with the nonviolent protesters, those protesters would join movements like the Black Panthers. Likewise, rude leftists encourage people to be more open to listening to the polite leftists in their lives. The rude ones raise the stakes.
Not having empathy should be cause for at least suspicion in and of itself
That’s a very vague statement. You didn’t specify which type of empathy. For example, cognitive empathy is the ability to intuit what other people are thinking. Autistic people tend to have less cognitive empathy, which is related to the poor social skills. It’s hard to participate in social situations when you have a clinically significant inability to read minds. Drag doesn’t think you want to treat autistic people with suspicion, so why don’t you work on clarifying your statement to an appropriate level of specificity?
If I was told this by someone in private I would at least be sympathetic, but blasting your children in a public forum is like yelling in walmart. I just can’t view you as any semblance of a good person if you’re publically taking the “eternal victim” stance.
Like, the expected outcome for this rube is that an echo chamber shits on his kids. Gee I wonder why his kids don’t like him, must be mental illness.
The dad’s comment strongly resembles a lot of posts that I’ve seen where people say that their kids won’t talk to them anymore. They always leave out the most relevant information and act like some lesser thing is the actual problem. They may do it intentionally or unintentionally. It may be narcissism. It may be an inability to face reality. It may be that they always minimize their children.
But if you hear from the daughters, it will likely not simply be that he voted for Trump. We’re missing out on entire lifetimes of context. There will be a lot of discussions leading up to that point. There will be a refusal to hear the children out. There will likely be a long history of emotional abuse.
And then, the last straw probably won’t even be his vote for Trump, but some terrible behavior that he exhibited afterwards. These parents then go online and make up some story that lets them be the victim. You can’t say for sure that this is the case, but nowhere in his post does he even try to acknowledge any specific things that his daughters said.
It’s the missing missing reasons
The first viewpoint, “emotion creates reality,” is truth for a great many people. Not a healthy truth, not a truth that promotes good relationships, but a deep, lived truth nonetheless. It’s seductive. It means that whatever you’re feeling is just and right, that you’re never in the wrong unless you feel you’re in the wrong. For people whose self-image is so battered and fragile that they can’t bear anything but validation, often it feels like the only way they can face the world.
Is it just me, or are more people starting to act like this? Or is it just that these last few years they’ve gotten louder?
