• TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
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    “burn it all down and let a socialist utopia rise from the ashes” perspective of the far-left.

    Yeah, I haven’t really been able to make sense of all the tailism and accelerationism happening on .ml and hexbear. I don’t know how we’ve gotten to the point where stanning a bunch of right winged authoritarian countries is a form of anti-imperialism.

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      My main take on Tankies is that they’re sort of stealth right-wingers.

      They believe that the way to communism is through a strongman dictator who will enforce the communism from the top.

      If you sub out communism for “social hierarchies” then you have the right-wing wet dream. Because Tankies worship Lenin, the man who betrayed the revolution to seize power after he lost an election. It was the first and last free election in Russia, and Lenin ignored the results because he lost. Then he spent the rest of his life pretending that an authoritarian dictatorship could ever be communist.

      No, true communism needs to come from the people. Extreme democracy is the way.

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        Turns out when 90±% of people when put into power have to grapple with their own morals and outside pressures they conform to what the situation calls for right then or use it for their own gain. You’re never going to get to utopia when there’s so much disfunction and division in the human experience

        To me the tankies are almost like nazis in that regard that they want to force the issue and create a new world RIGHT NOW. When there are going to be a billion different factors that are going to counter act that notion and with prejudice

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        If you sub out communism for “social hierarchies” then you have the right-wing wet dream.

        If you replace “the abolition of social hierarchies” with “the reinforcement of social hierarchies,” it makes left wing people sound just like right wing people 🤔

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      Unlike anarchists, MLs don’t really have a practical plan to get from the here and now to their socialist utopia. All they can do is wait for the collapse of the current society and hope that the subsequent radicalization will lead to them being the vanguard. However aside from the fact that vanguardism (and as an extension, ML) has been an abject failure, they can’t cause that collapse, so they do accelerationism instead.

      The only rational approach to change this world is anarchist prefiguration which is the opposite of “burn it all down”.

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        Any idea where their current definition of imperialism is being grafted from?

        I know they use a lot of language from world systems theory, designating America as the imperial core. However world system theory specifies that it’s only a way to analyze global trade, and that global trade is strictly defined by capitalism.

        Any time I ask anyone on ml or hex, I just get downvoted and told that If I read lenin I would understand… But fucking lenin defined imperialism as a competition between Great powers, not a war between peripheral states against the “imperialist core”.

        Is this all coming from some fucking streamer I don’t know about or something?

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          Lenin didn’t define Imperialism as “competition between great powers,” just that that was a side effect of the division of most of the world among the Great Powers. The actual definition of Imperialism by Lenin’s analysis is better simplified as export of Capital to the Global South to hyper-exploit for super-profits, like what Coke for example does in Columbia. The reason multinational corporations produce in the Global South is because they can weild their power to keep wages low and profits higher by selling back in the Imperial Core.

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            Well the crazy thing is, I’m starting to think they don’t read anything but reductionist interpretations made by their fellow shit posters.

            A lot of the language they use are terms made by liberal academics made to critique neoliberal policies in the Regan era. They just ignore the rest of the theory they don’t agree with, and then claim it all as Marxist Leninists, despite it being antithetical to actual ML writing.

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            How do you plan to scale that? Prefiguration sounds great for small already tight knit communities, however there are very few of those in the USA that aren’t complete chuds.

            Do you have a plan for the drone swarms the people in power will send to wipe out your community? Living well isn’t a plan while you’re also surrounded by the enemy. Especially when the guy living next door isn’t gonna even listen to what you have to say because theyre so brainwashed by the powers that be.

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              Prefigurayion doesn’t mean “tight knit communities”. That tactic can be a refuge for some, but ultimately doesn’t work. Prefiguration means showing the people how mutual aid and solidarity can help everyone.

              The US army won’t drone strike a community meal, or disaster relief events. And growing within communities, not as a separate bubble should be protection enough from bullets ever being shot.

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                The US army won’t drone strike a community meal, or disaster relief events.

                Why not? They do it in other counties.

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                  Because the people conducting these drone strikes would be more closely connected to the community in the US.

                  These heinous acts were only possible by othering the “foreigners”.

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                    Do you really believe that?

                    Do you think any of the people who voluntarily joined the military are going to give a shit about anyone other than who is giving them orders? The military is already committing atrocities in plain view all over the world I’m sure will be fine following orders to drone strike a wedding in the USA if theyre told its a terrorist.

                    Regardless, my point is they won’t need to because the drones that will be doing this will be moatly automated.