• hOrni@lemmy.world
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    Imagine how bad it would be if Americans didn’t have guns to defend themselves.

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      outside of NO, the region is reletively low on education, poverty ridden and low opportunity. its the trio that makes high homicide rate.

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      Corruption, poor education, overpowered oil/gas lobby, for-profit prison system that encourages recidivism

      And that’s just scratching the surface

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        I remember reading something while ago that did link high temperatures with higher rates of things like violence. Essentially, being hot all the damn time makes everyone’s baseline level of irritability higher and so things escalate more often. Seems a bit counter-intuitive though if we all came from Africa so I’m not sure how true it ultimately is.

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          In Europe the stereotype is definitely that “blood gets warmer” the more south you go. It certainly holds a bit of truth in my experience, the attitudes in Marseille or Rome are much more spicy than in Berlin, Amsterdam etc.

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      The data is provided by Eurostat. An EU organisation, they are not going to fund numbers for a country not in the EU anymore (some other countries might still join for various reasons.)

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        If they hold that stance, the graph should not use ‘Europe’ when they essentially mean ‘EU member nations’, especially if they omit the UK for the reasons you state as the UK is a part of Europe.

        Edit: not sure how difficult this is to understand. Europe is a continent, which includes the UK. The chart says Europe, not EU, whilst omitting a country within Europe.

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          In this case it is the graph makers laziness to not find extra stats on the UK. On the other part I believe the UK has the choice to join again, especially on side project as Eurostat. If a European country doesn’t want to join on European initiatives then I’m bit sure if we should treat them specially. The choice is theirs and it was clearly made.

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          I feel for you. I understand what you’re saying. Unfortunately I only have one up vote to counter everyone else.

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    What’s the reason for excluding so many european countries in this graphic?

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      The UK not being included makes me think that these are only EU member countries? I don’t know for sure though.

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          It literally says Eurostat in the bottom right

          Eurostat (European Statistical Office; DG ESTAT) is a Directorate-General of the European Commission (…). Eurostat’s main responsibilities are to provide statistical information to the institutions of the European Union (EU) and to promote the harmonisation of statistical methods across its member states and candidates for accession as well as EFTA countries.

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      As with all EU policy, the purpose is to make the USA look bad. This is the only reason Russia is not even in the EFTA or the EU.

      I have insider information that powers are play are trying to engineer a way to kick out Latvia to make the statistics more embarrassing to you.

      PS: UK 1.48, Switserland Not a country, Russia 6.8, Belarus 2.32, Ukraine 3.84 pre-war, Moldavia 2.27 USA 6.38

      I don’t think adding Russia will make the difference you think it will, since it’s barely more violent than the US.

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          I used wikipedia’s data that is sourced from UNODC and is apparently for 2021. For states the size of the UK it doesn’t really matter, fluctuations are small. Any given year the US will have ~6 times the homicide rate of the UK.

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        UK, Switserland, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldavia.

        Cyprus is included for some reason.

        Which two of the above were you referring to?

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              The US does look bad. There is no make involved. The US homocide / gun deaths numbers are en par to some failed states or those with civil or actual war.

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                Your argument would be illustrated if this post included europe, as the title claimed it would.

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                  Ok, so the US is only much worse than the majority of EU countries.

                  That better?

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      Whenever you see a map with data about most European countries but not the UK, it’s probably Eurostat. After Brexit they stopped sharing their data.

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        Why not? Are you some sorta coward? I’ll say it: yeah, fascists think a whiter population leads to reduced crime rates. That’s because fascists are rubes and imbeciles with such a stunted worldview that they’re incapable of considering the effects of any other socio-economic factors such as education, distribution of wealth, etc.

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            I should hope not, but skirting around it that way with euphemisms like “PCM authright” is the sort of shitlord behaviour I would’ve expected from someone who does hold that view, so I guess it’s a good thing we cleared that up.

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              I bring it up because new Hampshire is specifically mentioned by the alt right with racist motives. Thanks for implying I’m a shitlord and a coward though that’s a great way to win over liberals like me.

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            Like I said, white supremacists are fucking morons. News at 11.

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      The leading cause of homicide in the Baltic countries is alcohol. What is interesting is that the victims are usually family members and friends, because you drink at the same table and when you argue, you get angry and it ends badly. It is rare that a person is killed without a connection to the killer, and if it does happen, it makes the national headlines.

      During the multiple occupations of the Baltic countries, alcohol was used to control the population. The tsar used it, Stalin used it and now Putin uses it. Alcohol helps to escape from reality and provides comfort. It will take time to overcome the alcoholic generations, measures are being taken to help solve the problem, but you can’t change a country where for more than a hundred years alcoholism was the norm.

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        I’d just like to interject and say we cause our own alcoholism, thank you very much. No help from our “friend” in the east needed.

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      Alternatively, Louisiana is the Latvia of the United States. But with fewer social programs.