• M0oP0o@mander.xyz
            2·
            2 days ago

            Please pick another place then here to go. We have enough Americans and your problems.

            • AstralPath@lemmy.ca
              7·
              2 days ago

              The Americans that want nothing to do with Trump are the ones you want trying to immigrate to your country. Use your brain before you speak. You sound exactly like a republican talking about Mexicans.

              • M0oP0o@mander.xyz
                2·
                2 days ago

                No I was talking about how we have a housing crisis and people are freezing to death on the streets, and lets be fair even the “ones who want nothing to do with trump” are still way right of center in a global sense.

                Please go someplace warm instead.

                • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  4·
                  2 days ago

                  I assume you’re Canadian. This is a problem across North America. Almost nowhere is safe now.

                  The construction industry scaled way back in 2008, and it never really scaled back up in North America. We’re not building enough to keep pace with population growth and to replace aging homes.

                  We need to build, not blame each other.

                • blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works
                  1·
                  2 days ago

                  There are more than enough houses for the global homeless population overall. It’s the borders and high rents that are keeping them on the streets, not prospective immigrants.

        • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          2 days ago

          I’m lucky enough to have dual EU nation citizenship from my childhood. Going to be digging through my childhood paperwork in case I need it.

  • demizerone@lemmy.world
    46·
    3 days ago

    Democratic party is fucking useless. We will never be free unless we rid ourselves of legalized corruption.

    • timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      24·
      3 days ago

      Poor take. Truthfully, the people want hate. That’s what trump ran on and promised.

      This isn’t about policy or likeability or whatever. This is what people want and they proved it. Stop blaming the Democrat party and blame what this country and its people are instead.

      • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca
        10·
        2 days ago

        He didn’t say he preferred trump, he said the Democrats are useless.

        Which they are; they couldn’t defeat an orange windbag with transparent aspirations of autocracy.

      • tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz
        10·
        3 days ago

        Hate and simple answers. Trump will “fix inflation” and “bring jobs back”, what could be better? Don’t ask how or what it will cost.

  • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
    171·
    3 days ago

    Democracy supporters have to win every single time, while the fascists only have to win once. This is not a sustainable situation. We have to do what is necessary in a way that’s a lot more permanent than just winning an election.

    • Xanis@lemmy.world
      32·
      3 days ago

      That requires carrying this energy past the election cycle, regardless of the differences we may have on opinion, and coming together in agreement.

      Historically, the Left has been rather poor at banding together. We’re more likely to argue than get things done most of the time. So it’ll be an uphill battle for leaders of smaller groups across the Nation. First though, we need to make it past this hurdle.

        • Xanis@lemmy.world
          2·
          3 days ago

          It’s still a choice that we should strive to utilize. Not doing so may mean not having that choice, or the illusion of one. I do agree though, it’s about time we shifted things back towards a better life for everyone.

    • anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      43·
      3 days ago

      I think a big part of this is rural over representation. Not even talking the senate, but the house to be fair should allot 1 rep per the minimum pop of any state, which would give us about 573 reps and like 676 electors for president. Hell if we did it as the founders intended, one per like 60k people we’d have a house of 5.6k members.

    • Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world
      4·
      3 days ago

      That’s only going to happen if the side in favor of democracy is given a decisive victory. Squeaking out another win isn’t going to be enough.

      • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        3 days ago

        Did Harris have any pro-democracy stuff in her platform, like ending FPTP or the Electoral College? Trump campaigned on bad election reforms like ID requirements and same-day voting.

    • knightly the Sneptaur@pawb.social
      8·
      3 days ago

      There was never any democracy here to save, and no way to make it sustainable without tearing down the constitution and starting over, and no way to hold a new constitutional convention that wouldn’t be poisoned by money and power from the start.

      • Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de
        2·
        3 days ago

        You’re not completely wrong. There are many aspects of our system that are deeplh undemocratic: the way that the donor class gatekeeps who is able to run, the way politicians serve lobbyists and donors over the public will, and the way that oligarchs own 95% of our news media all create an environment where the interests of the people are not represented by our government

    • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
      3·
      3 days ago

      So what, at you going to start the french US revolution? That seems like a extreme idea that probably won’t end well.

      The US is a democracy. There is no threat outside of the fake information spread by US adversaries. Even if the worse president is elected there still little danger because of the balance of power.

      Don’t believe me? Look at the past. The supreme court and congress has put the executive branch in its place before. There is not more danger now than there was centuries ago. The US system is far from perfect but it is well proven.

      • Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de
        11·
        3 days ago

        The supreme court and congress has put the executive branch in its place before.

        The SC betrayed democracy with Citizens United and again when they gave Trump immunity for his countless crimes while in office. Don’t forget that the SC openly take bribes from billionaires.

      • draneceusrex@lemmy.world
        18·
        3 days ago

        I hope you are right, but excuse me for having doubts. Both Congress and SCOTUS is much more partisan than it was in the past. SCOTUS’s ruling on presidential immunity is a direct example, eroding the checks and balances within the Constitution. McConnell’s behavior and vote during the Jan 6th Impeachment trial is a second example. Trump’s first term in 2016 started with him having no idea what he was doing, so he depended on establishment Republicans who would act as the adults in the room. That term ended with him having fired all of them, and with an attempted coup to stay in power. So far there have been no repercussions to him doing so. So yeah, excuse me for being worried about a potential “dictator on day one” who wants to deport millions of “illegals”, would send the military against his political opponents who he has labeled the “enemy within”, and to completely purge career public servants for loyalists (are you looking forward to Hershal Walker managing our National Missile Defense?).

      • yesman@lemmy.world
        14·
        3 days ago

        There is not more danger now than there was centuries ago

        The way you describe American history as “centuries” like we’re the Roman Empire or Egypt when we’ve only got 2.5 centuries to choose from.

        • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          3 days ago

          Fair but my point still stands. We’ve been here a long time and though much worse times. (The US civil war comes to mind)

      • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca
        3·
        2 days ago

        True.

        But now more of the hurdles will be removed. Gotta make that wealth extraction more efficient 📈🥴
        Can’t let those poor and middle class people hold onto any of their money.

      • aesthelete@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 days ago

        That’s not true, we had a good run from the forties until I was born in the eighties. A whole forty years of some amount of power!

        • AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          do you understand how much of the civil rights movement has happened since the eighties?

          we’ve made them make concessions before. we’ve won before. we could win again.

          and you… you have no idea how badly i wish i believed what i just said.

          • aesthelete@lemmy.world
            2·
            2 days ago

            Yeah I guess before the full weight of the citizens united decision killed what was left we eaked out a bit of stuff.

    • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      13·
      3 days ago

      I wonder how quickly will the US progress from Elon Musk prancing around on stage to Trump Jack Ma-ing him, or if Bloomberg will commit suicide by six shots to the back of the head.

      The golden age of the US oligarchy has been this past period. Under fascism, the causal relationship between having power and money reverses.

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          5·
          3 days ago

          Look at Russia’s oligarchs. Hell, look at Hungary.

          There was this one wealthy guy bankrolling Orbán’s campaigns, one of the wealthiest people in Hungary. He got into an argument with Orbán publicly. Today he’s neither wealthy, nor living in Hungary.

          The people will not turn on rich people. I’m saying rich people are used to be controlling politics, but in a Russian style system, rich people are controlled BY politics, not the other way around.

          • Fedizen@lemmy.world
            3·
            3 days ago

            He’s still alive and no longer in hungary? so like rich people might move to their vacation estate for a year or two? this is just ordinary rich people stuff except instead of doing it for a tax cut they’re doing it because they publicly disagreed. Its theater. The whole point is to protect the money piles. It took russia like 20 years to start fussing about rich people that left the country

            • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              6·
              3 days ago

              Imagine Murdoch arguing with Trump, trying to bankroll another party to rein him in, with it ending in him selling all his news outlets and retiring.

              The point is that money doesn’t get you political power in this system.

      • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
        3·
        3 days ago

        It depends if Vance can place a rollerskate at the top of the White House steps before that happens.

      • Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
        16·
        3 days ago

        It’s more like all pretense is gone now. Before, there was this veneer of legitimacy. Now, it’s straight up fascism. It’s a matter of image projection.

  • itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml
    72·
    3 days ago

    I do not trust Americans to “do their own research”. I’ve seen how that has gone in the past. Too many Americans do their own research while scrolling Facebook from the toilet.

  • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
    59·
    3 days ago

    Four years ago we gave it a stay of execution. Until we fully purge the fascist and focus government to actually serve the people, we are going to keep finding ourselves in chaos, until China beats us to and at everything.

    • pjwestin@lemmy.world
      15·
      3 days ago

      Yeah, a Trump victory scares me, but what scares me more is the more competent fascist that comes next. The Democrats can’t keep waiting for the Republicans to, “come to their senses.” The material conditions of the working class need to improve, or fascist populism will take in the absence of economic populism.

      • baggachipz@sh.itjust.worksOP
        5·
        3 days ago

        No other fascist has the cult of personality that trump does. If we can rid ourselves of this scourge, it will cause a reckoning and reset among the conservatives. I hope.

  • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.mlEnglish
    20·
    3 days ago

    I get why people say you “have to” vote against someone in a First Past The Post voting system. What I don’t get is the inaction from the democratic party on changing the voting system between elections.

    I wish the democrats had one tenth the urgency they claim to have. Democracy is one election away from falling… wouldn’t you want multiple chances to defeat the republicans every election?

    Democrats are so full of themselves, they won’t accept that they might have to step out of the way to prevent the republicans from ruining this country. This fight is greater then the democratic party. They should start acting like it by pushing to get rid of FPTP voting in the states they control.

    • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
      19·
      3 days ago

      What I don’t get is the inaction from the democratic party on changing the voting system between elections.

      1. The Democrats didn’t secure a large enough majority in previous elections to overcome Republican resistance to changing things like FPTP voting or the electoral college.

      2. There is a lot of contention within the Democratic party (at the federal level at least) as it shifts further towards the right in an effort to remain in power. Getting rid of FPTP voting would make it harder for centrist/right leaning Democrats to remain in power.

      Several states have switched to RCV for some of their elections, and progress has been slow, but it’s being made. If you want to see more, elect people that prioritize implementing better voting systems.

    • AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialEnglish
      1·
      2 days ago

      Democrats are so full of themselves, they won’t accept that they might have to step out of the way to prevent the republicans from ruining this country

      you mean like biden did?

  • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
    16·
    3 days ago

    What democracy?

    The Democrats and Republicans fought harder to keep the party I support off the ballot than they did to stop each other from getting elected.