Five days ago, drag was banned from !politicalmemes@lemmy.world for using neopronouns. A comment explaining drag’s pronouns, and a comment saying “drag” isn’t a nickname, were removed with the reason “trolling”. Drag understands why someone would think that using different pronouns than most people is trolling - transphobia. However, drag is confused how on earth not liking a nickname is a violation of any rules anywhere.

Context of the removed comments:

Drag would like to pre-empt any further accusations of trolling by asking a question: If drag were a right wing troll, and you chose to freely accept drag’s pronouns, wouldn’t that completely neuter the trolling attempt? Trolling is about trying to make others upset. You don’t have to get upset when someone uses unusual pronouns. If you aren’t transphobic, then it’s impossible to troll you that way. And drag promises: drag wants you to not be transphobic. Drag is not trying to upset anyone. If you do what drag wants you to do, then you get what you want too. This is a non-issue, there’s only a problem if you want there to be.

EDIT: DRAG DID NOT TELL ANYBODY TO USE DRAG’S PREFERRED PRONOUNS.

  • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    9·
    2 months ago

    YDI, you came to a community and weren’t contributing to the discussion and immediately decided to pivot the discussion to yourself. In addition your persistent and off-topic discussion about neopronouns could be viewed as trolling by others. It’s very similar to what another user DroneRights was doing a while back, though though their posts and comments were much more hostile and aggressive towards others. Yours are less aggressive but still give off the same vibes.

    Maybe it was a bit extreme for them to permaban you for that but after dealing with DroneRights I can’t say I blame them.

    • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzOPEnglish
      4·
      2 months ago

      Drag didn’t change the topic to dragself. Someone else decided to interrogate drag about drag’s pronouns. Would you have preferred drag ignore them? Denigrate the question and tell them to go away, because drag doesn’t want to discuss that topic? That’s how drag felt, but drag chose to be polite, and now you’re mad at drag for that.

          • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            6·
            2 months ago

            I saw that, you weren’t fast enough.

            It’s really confusing because you seem to be using “drag” both for yourself and other people as well,

            No, drag isn’t doing that. Drag’s pronouns are drag; drag doesn’t know of anyone else who uses the same pronouns.

            “Denigrate the question and tell them to go away, because drag doesn’t want to discuss that topic?” seems like you’re using drag to refer to someone else who doesn’t want to discuss that topic but maybe I’m wrong, it’s really confusing because you’e using first person and second person at the same time. Wouldn’t surprise me if you also are using them in place of generics for others as well.

            (i.e. @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world claimed in the thread that you’ve been harassing him about this stuff)

            Nope. Flying Squid told drag in a conversation that he prefers to they/them other people, and drag agreed to help. If Flying Squid regrets that decision, he’s never told drag. It’s extremely sus that he’s complaining to other people about it when he’s always told drag he supports they/them-ing other people. Drag doesn’t actually agree with the practice, but agreed to help him anyway. This smells like some false flag nonsense.

            Let’s ask him directly, I’m sure he’d have something different to say considering he claimed you were harassing him over claiming that they/them are acceptable generic gender neutral pronouns for people who you don’t know the preferred pronouns of. Also no offense but he has more credibility than you do, as I explained “dragonfucker”.

              • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
                2·
                2 months ago

                It’s actually not that hard to respect what a nonbinary person prefers be it neopronouns, binary pronouns, or agender pronouns.

                • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                  9·
                  2 months ago

                  It’s also not hard to accept that ‘they’ and ‘you’ applies to everyone regardless of gender. And non-humans. And inanimate objects.

                  If ‘you’ is good enough for both my mother and a toaster, it’s good enough for them. There is no disrespect.

                  And if someone wants respect, following me around to various communities and harassing me when I call a little cartoon boy ‘he’ is not a way to earn it.

                  • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
                    2·
                    2 months ago

                    It’s also not hard to accept that ‘they’ and ‘you’ applies to everyone regardless of gender. And non-humans. And inanimate objects.

                    While this is the first time I’ve run into someone replacing the primary pronouns, I don’t see any reason to undermine drag just because of what language conventions allow for. Language is more defined by practical usage rather than explicit rules.

                    Let me give you my perspective. They/them pronouns are de-gendering rather than gender-affirming, because in English “they” refers to anyone, including men or women. In practical terms, “they” is often used as a cop-out by people who want to avoid calling trans women “she” or trans men “he”.

                    I can’t help but see drags use of drag/dragself as just another part of pushing back on de-gendering in the same way as any nonbinary trans person listing binary pronouns and asking people to stick to using those.

              • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzOPEnglish
                1·
                2 months ago

                They harassed me over calling Caillou ‘he.’ As in the cartoon toddler. Seriously.

                I told them that “they/them” and “you” are universal pronouns and that they are acceptable to use with anyone

                Anyone includes cartoon toddlers. Seems like you’re just making up problems because you like drama.

                  • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzOPEnglish
                    1·
                    2 months ago

                    Okay whatever. Seems like you only use the “I they/them EVERYONE” rationale when it’s time to ignore a trans person’s gender, but drag will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt and act as though you they/them caillou too. Drag isn’t interested in giving you that fight you want. Drag isn’t interested in fighting or antagonising anyone.