I’m excited for BG3 but I guess I struggle to see why it needs to be compared to TotK at all. Feels like that is selling both games a bit short. They aren’t really that similar.
Which is a perfect example of the irrelevance of awards, and not just in gaming but pretty much any other subject. The fact I like pizza doesn’t influence how much I love cake and people who love soup are also right.
My argument would be that one doesn’t transcend over the other. It’s probably obvious but I also think numbered review scores are inherently flawed, because the metric is subjective and meaningless.
I much prefer a tiers system. These are both top tier games. Anyone can agree they are of exemplary quality and represent some of the best their genre has to offer. Any argument beyond that very quickly devolves into squabbles over subjective preference and that is a bit pointless to me.
As an example, a few of my favorite games of all time are Earthbound, Half-Life, Super Mario World, Metroid Prime, and Skyrim. I would rank all 5 of these games in my top tier. But what point is there in trying to rank them amongst each other? They have nothing to do with one another, so I have no meaningful way to compare them. If I use numbering, would I rank Earthbound a 9.7 and Metroid Prime a 9.5 and that means Earthbound is a better game? 2 tenths better? What does that even mean? I just don’t find value in that kind of arbitrary comparison.
I thought TOTK was great, but it’s not like it was good enough to compare good games against. Like, it’s just BOTW with a new story and some QOL fixes. It’s essentially a $70 standalone DLC. I could probably list a few games that came out this year that I liked better.
Yeah, TOTK is too similar to BOTW structural wise, it’s very easy to get bored of the grind and just do sandbox thing once in a while.(and that’s with dup glitch in mind, without dupe those crafty machines won’t see the day since the time required to get enough zonites to do the auto build.) I basically haven’t even finish the 4 spirits yet (got 3) and decides to play BG3 instead, and that’s a good choice, so much more brain engaging in this game as well.(and that’s even with save scumming, mostly to see what other paths of conversation go.) The battle is pretty balanced if you turn off karmic dice.(on balanced difficulty.) I only restart battle when I misclick and attacked on my own party.
It’s a new story inside the same game. Same map, same gameplay loop (find shrines, find Koroks, do side quests). I can’t think of another sequel where the entire game takes place in the same map. Majora’s Mask was a sequel with mostly re-used assets, but it got a new map.
The games that do share a map, like Spider-man and Spider-Man: Miles Morales, are largely considered stand-alone expansions.
BG3 is immensely good and I’m really enjoying it so far. I have to say I had more pure fun playing TotK and would call it the better game. I love them both though.
Seriously. The Switch is a piece of shit and it looks beautiful and plays well and has so much depth and complexity. Sure, it doesn’t have raytracing, but have you seen those sunsets?
Idk about that, it’s very very hard to compare the two and to which is better. Objectively, they’re both amazing games and very high quality. Think from there, what determines what’s better is what your preference is. I like them both for different reasons and can just tell you I’m immersed and having tons of fun with both.
I haven’t even played BG3 yet, but I wouldn’t fault anyone for saying this. I lost a month and a half to TOTK and enjoyed every second. It fixed every gripe I had about BOTW, but that’s kind of the problem as well. I always felt like BOTW was a glorified tech demo, and after playing TOTK, it felt more like the game BOTW should have been.
TOTK also has its own issues, especially with the story. The story just being told to you and not being something you’re really experiencing was a weird choice. I was hoping for Ganondorf’s involvement to be more than “it was me Link!” leading up to the final confrontation.
The final boss fight was an insanely awesome sequence though. Easily my favorite part of the game.
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I’m excited for BG3 but I guess I struggle to see why it needs to be compared to TotK at all. Feels like that is selling both games a bit short. They aren’t really that similar.
They’re competing for GotY, probably the only reason they’re getting compared.
Which is a perfect example of the irrelevance of awards, and not just in gaming but pretty much any other subject. The fact I like pizza doesn’t influence how much I love cake and people who love soup are also right.
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I think it’s a fair question that if both are transcendental games, which transcends over the other?
My argument would be that one doesn’t transcend over the other. It’s probably obvious but I also think numbered review scores are inherently flawed, because the metric is subjective and meaningless.
I much prefer a tiers system. These are both top tier games. Anyone can agree they are of exemplary quality and represent some of the best their genre has to offer. Any argument beyond that very quickly devolves into squabbles over subjective preference and that is a bit pointless to me.
As an example, a few of my favorite games of all time are Earthbound, Half-Life, Super Mario World, Metroid Prime, and Skyrim. I would rank all 5 of these games in my top tier. But what point is there in trying to rank them amongst each other? They have nothing to do with one another, so I have no meaningful way to compare them. If I use numbering, would I rank Earthbound a 9.7 and Metroid Prime a 9.5 and that means Earthbound is a better game? 2 tenths better? What does that even mean? I just don’t find value in that kind of arbitrary comparison.
I thought TOTK was great, but it’s not like it was good enough to compare good games against. Like, it’s just BOTW with a new story and some QOL fixes. It’s essentially a $70 standalone DLC. I could probably list a few games that came out this year that I liked better.
Yeah, TOTK is too similar to BOTW structural wise, it’s very easy to get bored of the grind and just do sandbox thing once in a while.(and that’s with dup glitch in mind, without dupe those crafty machines won’t see the day since the time required to get enough zonites to do the auto build.) I basically haven’t even finish the 4 spirits yet (got 3) and decides to play BG3 instead, and that’s a good choice, so much more brain engaging in this game as well.(and that’s even with save scumming, mostly to see what other paths of conversation go.) The battle is pretty balanced if you turn off karmic dice.(on balanced difficulty.) I only restart battle when I misclick and attacked on my own party.
I really don’t understand the “$70 DLC” comments. Maybe I’m too old, but TotK is the perfect example of what a sequel is.
Maybe expansion is a better term than DLC.
It’s a new story inside the same game. Same map, same gameplay loop (find shrines, find Koroks, do side quests). I can’t think of another sequel where the entire game takes place in the same map. Majora’s Mask was a sequel with mostly re-used assets, but it got a new map.
The games that do share a map, like Spider-man and Spider-Man: Miles Morales, are largely considered stand-alone expansions.
BG3 is immensely good and I’m really enjoying it so far. I have to say I had more pure fun playing TotK and would call it the better game. I love them both though.
My issue with TotK is it was fun until one day it suddenly wasn’t. I explored pretty much the whole map but never finished the main story
Oh man at least jump in and beat the final boss. The ending is amazing and extremely satisfying.
Damn really? I’ll have to do it then
10/10 ending
I can’t agree it’s that easy a win at all. Both are outstanding games, doing very different things excellently
Counterpoint: TotK is running on a 7 year old phone, the fact that it works at all is remarkable
Seriously. The Switch is a piece of shit and it looks beautiful and plays well and has so much depth and complexity. Sure, it doesn’t have raytracing, but have you seen those sunsets?
BG2 > TotK, but it has nothing to do with hardware
Idk about that, it’s very very hard to compare the two and to which is better. Objectively, they’re both amazing games and very high quality. Think from there, what determines what’s better is what your preference is. I like them both for different reasons and can just tell you I’m immersed and having tons of fun with both.
If I want to play a Zelda game, BG3 sucks. If I want to play a Baldur’s Gate game, TotK sucks.
If I want to play a Tetris game, they both suck.
Yup! So why directly compare them? They’re all very different experiences
I haven’t even played BG3 yet, but I wouldn’t fault anyone for saying this. I lost a month and a half to TOTK and enjoyed every second. It fixed every gripe I had about BOTW, but that’s kind of the problem as well. I always felt like BOTW was a glorified tech demo, and after playing TOTK, it felt more like the game BOTW should have been.
TOTK also has its own issues, especially with the story. The story just being told to you and not being something you’re really experiencing was a weird choice. I was hoping for Ganondorf’s involvement to be more than “it was me Link!” leading up to the final confrontation.
The final boss fight was an insanely awesome sequence though. Easily my favorite part of the game.
Nah.
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