Yes yes, I REALLY want to terminate that process and I am very sure about it too, ty.

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    you forgot that you have to spend about 2 minutes with windows “searching for a solution” (who knows what that does??) and then another minute reporting it to microsoft

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    And as always with this meme: Both Windows and Linux can ask a process nicely to terminate or kill it outright. And the default for both is to ask nicely.

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      on windows a process can get in a state so that it is impossible to make it go away, even with process explorer or process hacker. mostly this also involves the bugged software becoming unusable.

      I encounter such a situation from time to time. one way it could happen is if the USB controller has got in an invalid state, which one of my pendrives can semi-reliably reproduce. when that happens, any process attempting to deal with that device or its FS, even the built-in program to remove the drive letter, will stop working and hang as an unkillable process.

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        I’ve seen that on Linux as well. Funnily enough also with faulty file systems. I think NFS with spotty wifi for one.

        Oh, and once with a dying RAID controller. That was a pain in the ass. At that point I swore to only ever do RAID in software.

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        Linux has that issue too. A process in an uninterruptible blocking syscall stays until that syscall finishes, which can be never if something weird’s going on.

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        Taskkill /f is reasonably close to sudo kill -9

        Hitting the X in Windows and hitting the X in Linux both cause the application to start a save yourself routine. From the OS standpoint they’re not far off.

        The problem is we have a lot of confirmation bias in windows because every time we want to close an application that’s not working, that save yourself call has to sit around for a hellaciously long time out followed by a telemetry call so that Microsoft can track that it happened.

        It’s pretty rare that Linux apps don’t just close.

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    Typing “kill -9” into a terminal is the equivalent to breaking out the acetylene torch when a nut won’t budge

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          I don’t know if you heard, but the Nvidia issues are solved (mostly).

          The issue most people had was with Explicit Sync, which was patched in the proprietary Nvidia driver 555 which is upstream on most distros.

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        Open the process list in your system monitor of choice, right click, signal, sigkill.

        You can also open a monitor and use top or any variant to detect the process number and manually kill -KILL number

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          I really want the convenience of binding xkill to a key, which I can use to double tap programs like the undead zombie they’ve become.

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            Dunno, create a script that uses a program to get the process number of the current active window or the window the mouse is hovering, and then kill that? Bind that script inor a key with whatever program and voilá.

            It’s more involved sure but there’s your option.

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                Get learning lol. I know that there’s some command line program that gives process info on mouse hover and then that can be parsed with awk to get the pid, then pipe that again into kill -kill. Then use xbindkeys or whatever keybindings program to bind that script to a key.

                Tbh. For involved stuff like this chatgpt will help you more than stackoverflow.

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    I feel like I’ve had the opposite experience in the gui (maybe a KDE issue?) closing gui windows frequently lock up, and I find I frequently have to drop to the command line in order to properly kill some programs

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      That’s because the end proces of the GUI sends a sigint, which does jack shit if the program hangs, you only archieve for a higher parent process to obtain it until it can off itself gracefully. You need to right click the process and send a sigkill signal to emulate the command line.

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    TerminateProcess() is pretty reliable, but it doesn’t form part of the C signals stack on Windows like kill -9. So for instance, if you’re doing process control on Python, you need to use a special Windows-only API to access TerminateProcess().

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    mainly wrong, by default kill send a SIGTERM, you can try SIGINT or SIGQUIT too, and in the end SIGKILL of course. Same in windows there is different way

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      KDE can murder windows instantly (you have to set a shortcut), or you can also just send SIGKILL to the process