• JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee
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    24 days ago

    What about all the innocent women who are dying in our country because of who trump appointed to the supreme court and the result was the overturning roe vs wade?

    Do those lives matter at all to you? Women bleeding to death in their cars because hospitals refuse to treat a miscarriage.

    What about the kids who get massacred in school shootings because Trump and people like him won’t support increased gun control legislation?

    What about all the innocent people of color who have been killed by police? Do they matter to you?

    If trump gets into the office not only will the Palestinian people be far worse off, so will every group I mentioned above and more.

    You said you are against killing innocent people, then why dont you care about the women, children, and people of color who are getting killed in our country needlessly?

    There’s far more destruction for far more people if trump gets into office. If you want to double down, go for it, because I think it’s worth reminding people just how much death in our country can attributed to Trump. Every woman who dies from preventable pregnancy complications. Trump directly contributed to that.

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      If trump gets into the office not only will the Palestinian people be far worse off, so will every group I mentioned above and more.

      There is no level of killing innocent people that I’m okay with.
      I’ll support a political party which does not want to make people worse off because of their identity.

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        The problem, as I see it, is that there is literally no chance for a third party to win the presidency.

        Which means that I have three options:

        • Vote Trump. Someone who has called for more violence.
        • Vote Harris. Whether I’m happy with her or the Democratic party or not. Try and mitigate as much killing and harm as I am able to. Actively try to prevent things from getting worse.
        • Vote third party/Don’t vote. Either Trump or Harris will win, and I can claim my conscious is clear. If Trump wins, I will have not done what little I could have to lessen the evil. I have to be okay with someone who is far worse getting into power

        We can’t solve the genocide by voting third party. All we can do, all that the little power granted to us can do, is try and prevent it from getting worse. So if you want to prevent as much killing as you actually can, if you want to give the most people the opportunity to live, then morally as I see it, you need to vote Harris.

        Is she perfect? No. Hell no, man. But she is the candidate that with this genocide happening, and it is happening regardless of who is getting in, who will give the most Palestinians a chance to live. A third party candidate isn’t making it to the White house so a third party candidate can NOT lessen the harm.

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          Which means that I have three options

          I do not have three options, myself.

          It is said that Americans have three options, the best of which only might improve the situation where one country is terrorising another country by killing innocent people, every day.

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            Which means that I have three options

            I do not have three options, myself.

            It is said that Americans have three options, the best of which only might improve the situation where one country is terrorising another country by killing innocent people, every day.

            So are you American? It sounds like you aren’t and, if not, why are you advocating for people not to vote or vote third party?

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              why are you advocating for people not to vote or vote third party?

              Can you point out where I advocated for any particular voting choice? I just said that I don’t find killing innocents acceptable, and would prefer to have the choice of voting for a party which agreed with that - in my mind, perfectly acceptable - moral value.

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              23 days ago

              You’re right, there is a fourth: kill yourself. Save million of Palestinian lives by ending yours before next Tuesday.

              Thanks for revealing what kind of person you are, champ!

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                No problem… Give me a trolley problem with you vs. millions of Palestinians, and the choice is simple.

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      What about all the innocent women who are dying in our country because of who trump appointed to the supreme court and the result was the overturning roe vs wade?

      See state ballot initiatives. they’ve been far more effective in 4 years than democratic presidents and congress critters have in 5 decades.

      What about the kids who get massacred in school shootings because Trump and people like him won’t support increased gun control legislation?

      see above.

      What about all the innocent people of color who have been killed by police? Do they matter to you?

      see above. biden and harris support the police remember? they actively fought against police reforms.

      If trump gets into the office not only will the Palestinian people be far worse off, so will every group I mentioned above and more.

      yes that is unfortunately true, maybe you should inform harris to change her position on genocide to ensure the other groups are not put at risk over her hubris? On the flip side its a lot easier to protect the groups you’re white knighting for in your local community via your local reps and processes and your own personal actions.

      Maybe you should realize you can in many states safely vote third party for president and democrats down ballot and essentially have the same national outcome while simultaneously undercutting the genocide harris is dead set on committing. thereby giving left wing congress critters more leverage with harris post election.

      What you are really telling everyone here is that you are unwilling to give up a bit of your privileged lifestyle over a little bit of genocide. That says more about you than it does about the individuals withholding their support from harris.

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        state ballot initiatives

        LOL, way to immediately tell everyone that you have no fucking clue how this country works.

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          oh dear am I embarrassed!

          • legalizing weed -> state ballots.
          • min wage increases -> state ballots.
          • legalizing mushrooms -> state ballots.
          • health care improvements -> state ballots.
          • abortion -> state ballots.
          • LGBT+ rights -> state ballots.

          seeing a pattern here?