I would argue that Trump would be way worse for Gaza, he seems to be of the mindset of “kill the weak and be done” so for him to “fix” the middle east, would probably just be to bomb the shit out of everyone until they stop fighting.
He doesn’t strike me as a great peace maker, more like a
Liberals only hate him because he says the quiet things out loud. The exact same things are happening right now but it’s being done in the background so it’s tolerable for liberals to consume. They don’t care about what’s going on only that it’s presented in a pretty paackage
I don’t think you fully understand what you are saying. You are saying that Trump will be worse for Gaza and Palestine…while all of this has been happening under Biden’s administration and with his support (the constant UN vetoes and the constant selling of weapons).
The Palestinian genocide has always been happening with the blessing of the US government. From that point of view, right now both candidates are exactly as good for Palestine. As in, they are not.
It’s not “a wash”. We are talking about the literal lives of people that are being ethnically cleansed with the help of this current administration.
I can tell you clearly think that’s just a non issue that people can disagree on, but it’s a historical event. And you can’t just go “well then let’s not talk about that and focus on the rest. Trump is worse on that”. Sure, Trump is worse and is worse in everything. But that doesn’t resolve the issue of the Palestinian genocide, does it?
Incorrect, you can see Harris scrambling for votes from other groups the dnc has also disenfranchised. This entire conversation id proof that its not a wash. Its a net loss for the dems. There are only so many times a group can say but we’re better than those guys whole doing the exact same thing as those guys before people laugh and tune them out.
DNC wants votes?
were is mandatory pto, sick days?
where is universal healthcare?
where is police/judicial reforms?
where is labor support?
where the fuck is my non genocidal option?
My vote was up for grabs by the dnc and they decided to stay the course. Biden lost my vote when he committed to breaking a strike and then a genocide. Thats on them. Dont like it bitch at them for running a shitty platform.
At this point the only way ill believe dems during an election is they have the bills ready to go and presigned by Congress
At this point the only way ill believe dems during an election is they have the bills ready to go and presigned by Congress
And this is why they’re not courting people like you. You’ve voluntarily removed yourself from the pool of potential voters.
Yeah, those things you listed would be great and if there were enough progressive folks voting instead of sitting on the sidelines they would be on the table once the Overton window for dragged back to the left a bit.
But instead we have “they’re eating dogs and cats”, “schools are forcibly chopping off kids’ dicks”, “kitty litter in classrooms”, and Project 2025 up against basic fucking sanity. So unless you’re an accelerationist there’s only one sensible choice.
Or you can sit around sniffing your own farts and feeling morally superior while everyone left of Mussolini is getting loaded onto the trains.
So… Do you honestly believe that Trump would do anything to stop Israel? They’re killing Muslims, the only thing the GOP loves more than demonizing the Jewish.
I’m not sure if supporting trump will get Netanyahu what he wants. Once trump is the person responsible for sending arms to Israel, suddenly democrats will be against what’s happening, creating division (at least in rhetoric) instead of bipartisan unity.
I’m not sure that anticolonialist is saying Trump is a better choice. They might be implying that it is sad that the American populace always has to pick between two choices which cause harm, and I agree that is a situation worth mentioning.
If they explicitly reply with ‘Trump is better’, I will strongly disagree.
They’re effectively saying let’s give Trump a chance because Harris, despite having no power, is already doing a bad job. Trump being worse is hyperbole. It’s completely braindead. And I say this as someone who thinks criticizing her lack of opposition to genocide is a good thing.
America tends to elect someone representing the interests of those who have money and power. And those who have money and power seem to accept that brown foreign people have to die so they can make money selling arms.
This is terrible, but it is also normal, and also people like making money. So people will, far too often, let it slide. And when you let something like that slide, you rationalise how you’re not a bad person, so you victim blame.
This is one more reason why I am not completely unhappy about the possibility of humans ending their own existence through economic activity. Sadly, they will take many other species with them.
To use your analogy of the holocaust, we are Japan in this situation. While we can do something its so little as to be borderline fuck all. Best we could do is arrange an accident with Netanyahu, but yet again that could make it worse.
Okay this is nothing more than American copium. Israel survives off American aid and trade, and threatening to cut either off would get them to back off faster than you could say genocide. This isn’t theory; it’s been done before.
When something is wrong, taking a stand against it isn’t only about it being effective. It’s about showing publicly that something is wrong.
I don’t kidnap people and force them to live in my compost bin. When I hear of others acting in this way, I condemn it. Me not doing this does not effectively stop others from doing it. But I still do it, as it is my moral duty.
I believe that killing innocent people by bombing schools and hospitals is at least as bad as the action I just described.
We are gonna elect the person enabling a holocaust like Hitler
I would argue that Trump would be way worse for Gaza, he seems to be of the mindset of “kill the weak and be done” so for him to “fix” the middle east, would probably just be to bomb the shit out of everyone until they stop fighting.
He doesn’t strike me as a great peace maker, more like a
Liberals only hate him because he says the quiet things out loud. The exact same things are happening right now but it’s being done in the background so it’s tolerable for liberals to consume. They don’t care about what’s going on only that it’s presented in a pretty paackage
I don’t think you fully understand what you are saying. You are saying that Trump will be worse for Gaza and Palestine…while all of this has been happening under Biden’s administration and with his support (the constant UN vetoes and the constant selling of weapons).
The Palestinian genocide has always been happening with the blessing of the US government. From that point of view, right now both candidates are exactly as good for Palestine. As in, they are not.
Then that topic is a wash when deciding who to vote for. Trump is still worse on literally everything else.
It’s not “a wash”. We are talking about the literal lives of people that are being ethnically cleansed with the help of this current administration.
I can tell you clearly think that’s just a non issue that people can disagree on, but it’s a historical event. And you can’t just go “well then let’s not talk about that and focus on the rest. Trump is worse on that”. Sure, Trump is worse and is worse in everything. But that doesn’t resolve the issue of the Palestinian genocide, does it?
Incorrect, you can see Harris scrambling for votes from other groups the dnc has also disenfranchised. This entire conversation id proof that its not a wash. Its a net loss for the dems. There are only so many times a group can say but we’re better than those guys whole doing the exact same thing as those guys before people laugh and tune them out.
DNC wants votes?
My vote was up for grabs by the dnc and they decided to stay the course. Biden lost my vote when he committed to breaking a strike and then a genocide. Thats on them. Dont like it bitch at them for running a shitty platform.
At this point the only way ill believe dems during an election is they have the bills ready to go and presigned by Congress
And this is why they’re not courting people like you. You’ve voluntarily removed yourself from the pool of potential voters.
Yeah, those things you listed would be great and if there were enough progressive folks voting instead of sitting on the sidelines they would be on the table once the Overton window for dragged back to the left a bit.
But instead we have “they’re eating dogs and cats”, “schools are forcibly chopping off kids’ dicks”, “kitty litter in classrooms”, and Project 2025 up against basic fucking sanity. So unless you’re an accelerationist there’s only one sensible choice.
Or you can sit around sniffing your own farts and feeling morally superior while everyone left of Mussolini is getting loaded onto the trains.
So… Do you honestly believe that Trump would do anything to stop Israel? They’re killing Muslims, the only thing the GOP loves more than demonizing the Jewish.
Netanyahu is actively supporting Trump because he knows he’ll enable him to be way more aggressive inside Gaza.
People that still use this are just Trump-Bots that want to seed doubt so less people vote for Harris
I’m not sure if supporting trump will get Netanyahu what he wants. Once trump is the person responsible for sending arms to Israel, suddenly democrats will be against what’s happening, creating division (at least in rhetoric) instead of bipartisan unity.
So lets let Harris continue what’s actually going on so the hyperbole of what trump might do doesnt happen.
Yes, surely donald “finish the job” trump will broker peace.
The weapons and money being provided by Biden/Harris is allowing them to finish the job right now.
I’m not sure that anticolonialist is saying Trump is a better choice. They might be implying that it is sad that the American populace always has to pick between two choices which cause harm, and I agree that is a situation worth mentioning.
If they explicitly reply with ‘Trump is better’, I will strongly disagree.
They’re effectively saying let’s give Trump a chance because Harris, despite having no power, is already doing a bad job. Trump being worse is hyperbole. It’s completely braindead. And I say this as someone who thinks criticizing her lack of opposition to genocide is a good thing.
You must have failed history class.
Outcome is the same, lots of people dead while the US sits back and watches
America tends to elect someone representing the interests of those who have money and power. And those who have money and power seem to accept that brown foreign people have to die so they can make money selling arms.
This is terrible, but it is also normal, and also people like making money. So people will, far too often, let it slide. And when you let something like that slide, you rationalise how you’re not a bad person, so you victim blame.
This is one more reason why I am not completely unhappy about the possibility of humans ending their own existence through economic activity. Sadly, they will take many other species with them.
To use your analogy of the holocaust, we are Japan in this situation. While we can do something its so little as to be borderline fuck all. Best we could do is arrange an accident with Netanyahu, but yet again that could make it worse.
So Reagan was able to do something, Thatcher was able to do something, Baby Bush was able to do something. But Biden can’t?
Okay this is nothing more than American copium. Israel survives off American aid and trade, and threatening to cut either off would get them to back off faster than you could say genocide. This isn’t theory; it’s been done before.
The openly fascist granddaughter of Mussolini, Italian PM of Italy Meloni has now cut off weapons to Israel. Biden is to the right of an open fascist.
When something is wrong, taking a stand against it isn’t only about it being effective. It’s about showing publicly that something is wrong.
I don’t kidnap people and force them to live in my compost bin. When I hear of others acting in this way, I condemn it. Me not doing this does not effectively stop others from doing it. But I still do it, as it is my moral duty.
I believe that killing innocent people by bombing schools and hospitals is at least as bad as the action I just described.
Hard agree, but that doesn’t change the fact that voting for Harris is a better choice that either voting for Trump or not voting at all.