I’ve just been reading about how in the future, AI will allow us to speak with animals, and people will be able to communicate telepathically and live in their own VR worlds. (etc., etc.)
Man, this isn’t a world I want to live in. I’m so tired of the constant paradigm shifting that you have to put your brain through with each innovation. I wish technology just stayed frozen in the 1980s – there would be so much less uncertainty in my life and I could just focus on being a human.
Innovation keeps being forced on you and I just feel tired. >!And I’m only just in my 20s!< Is this ok? Is this valid? When resisting it is a loser’s game…
I fully agree. As a 43 year old, who used to be an “early adopter” I’ve found that I don’t fucking need it. I’m fine with retro games. I’m fine with talking on the phone instead of video conferences. I don’t need “social media”.
On the other hand, I really like that my car doesn’t pollute. I really like that I can power my house from the sunlight that normally just hits my roof and is absorbed. I really like that I can work from home.
There are tradeoffs. For me, what works, is just not giving a fuck. But in like, a content/nice way, instead of a nihilistic/depressed way. If you know what I mean?
But being a Luddite does have its appeal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
I guess that makes sense. Also, what sets the solar panels aside is that they don’t intrude into your modus operandi, like eg. always-on employer expectations (possible thanks to the internet) might.
(possible thanks to the internet)
Thanks to telephones
Darn you, Alexander Graham Bell!
Ahh true
People getting old in this thread. Next thing you know, you’ll be yelling at kids on your front lawn. 😁
What lawn?
“you kids stay away from my dirt crop!”
The one inside our heads 😁
Did I become an old man that yells at clouds?
I’m way ahead of ya.
I’m fine with talking on the phone instead of video conferences.
You will be surprised how many young people prefer voice-only over video. And how many people hate voice messages.
I do find that the audio quality is much higher over the web than over the phone line. I wish everything were voip.
50 shades of compression
What magic car do you own that doesn’t pollute?
Chevy Bolt. It hasn’t polluted since I bought it.
Yes, I am aware that electricity production often comes from fossil fuels. Yes, I’m aware of the pollution that stems from mining and manufacturing. You’re right that a train would be more efficient. Yes, you’re right that I’m a bad person who should know better. What else ya got?
Why are you 3 kids in a trenchcoat mr guy , dude,man?
Because how else are we gonna score beer at the Circle-K?
Bicycle
Human engine != Pollution free.
Humans need to move around to be healthy regardless, so any energy consumed to pedal a bike is immaterial.
Though I guess if the person in question just died that would be even more pollution free.
Ever read a comment and think to yourself, “You are me, and I am you.”?
We all reach that point in life. I kind of admire and also pity those who don’t.
Like, the Richard Bransons who are skydiving and water skiing with supermodels at 65 are just nuts. The Leo Laporte’s who stay on top of every little detailed change to every piece of tech are nuts. It’s cool that they have that enthusiasm, I guess. But it’s just not that important to me anymore.
We may have some differences, while close to the same age, I am extremely outdoors and active, constantly building something tech (not bleeding edge) or non-tech, and completely fill my time or I get ansy. So in that way I’m more like the Branson’s but overall my mentality towards “not caring” matches yours to a tee.
The skill of being able to identify what’s important in the moment and recognizing “this won’t matter in 6 months” is a learned talent I wish I could give others. I sometimes feel like it may dampen my excitement for things, being the inverse, but so far that has never really been deterrent for me…
I don’t think it’s weird to feel exhausted by the pace of innovation, especially when the innovation has nebulous value.
I felt this way with the wave of “smart house” stuff. I’m a software engineer, I spend all day programming and debugging stuff. I do NOT want to spend 1 fucking second of my precious finite life debugging a fucking light bulb. Not one. Oh I can say “Alexa, red alert” and all my lightbulbs turn red, fucking fuck you. I don’t want my refrigerator connected to the internet, I don’t want my toaster monitoring my speech patterns to serve me ads and customize my toasting experience.
To every shitbag manager out there tying to shove this garbage down our throats, fuck off and die. And you might think “you don’t like a smart (whatever) then don’t buy one.” Fuck you too, over time I fucking can’t. Try to buy a tv that isn’t a fucking smart tv, you just fucking can’t anymore. And slowly but surely everything you use turns into some shitty piece of fuck.
The good news is that AI is probably a bubble. We’ve fed the sum total of the internet into our LLMs and we’ve gotten pretty convincing liars that are sometimes right. We are running out of data and 99 out of 100 uses of AI don’t make sense.
I’ve been in the startup scene for my entire adult career and if you talk to people that try to jam AI into their products to make investors happy you’ll hear very similar things every time. It was incredibly expensive, no one used it, and no one liked it.
There are some use cases for AI, but not nearly as much as what’s getting thrown at the wall. AI has been through many winters where progress stalls, the hype dies out, and AI winter begins.
Final thought, you don’t have to do anything you don’t want to. People are enamored with using AI to make false memories (sorry, there comes a point where you’ve touched up a photo so much it isn’t reality anymore), destroying their ability to use their brains for critical thinking, art, writing, reading. You don’t have to. Those people might deeply regret not having a single real picture of their child. Maybe the clouds made the photo look bad, but now you can’t remember laughing as you ran through the rain.
Our lives do not need to be curated and polished into some technicolor madness. Do what you want and in 20 years people will ask you “how are you so interesting and fulfilled” as they shovel AI garbage into their maw. I see a future that is similar to what happened to social media (I know, I’m using social media right now, we are all hypocrites). People working everyday to present some faux reality to others, jealous of everyone else’s faux realty, unhappy and unable to go 5 god damn minutes without a dopamine hit.
The other day I had to wait for something, I sat and looked out the window at the beautiful trees rustling gently in the wind. I took in the glory of the world around me, I sat in peace and let my mind wander. These are skills too few enjoy these days because they let the future happen to them.
You are in charge of your life.
Are you mad about the technology or the underlying reasons it was born of? Honestly most people’s anger towards tech isn’t about the tech itself, but what it’s really used for
For example, the smart fridge, on paper most people would find it a fantastic idea. But then the user-hostile features set in. An internal camera could helpfully analyze everything in your fridge and put together an ez shopping list, but then in reality we kinda get that because it was designed around things like selling data collection and ADs and then designed to break in a year or 2 and take out half the fridge along with it because they want to make more money off you every 2 years
Now take the smart fridge in a world with strong privacy and consumer protection laws (and maybe even a capitalism free world) and it would be totally different, not only would you get cool things designed properly with heart and soul, but it’ll also last a long time. Modern tech doesn’t have to be as fragile as it is, NASAs space probes and rovers and satellites prove time and time again that “High Tech” can last with proper design and manufacturing. In the depths of space their shit is routinely lasting their original mission lengths. In space, in the top 10 most hostile places we know.
The thing many people don’t even need their fridge to be smart in the first place
Who are you to dictate who needs what? I definitely “need” a smart fridge from my example because I always forget to make a list before I go to the grocery store. It would save me so much time and money.
You honestly sound like the old fucks of ancient times past who always bitched about new “tech”:
- Damn smartphones, ruining society
- Damn internet, ruining society
- Damn personal computers, ruining society
- Damn video games, ruining society
- Damn television, ruining society
- Damn comic books, ruining society
- Damn rock and roll music, ruining society
- Damn jazz music, ruining society
- Damn movies, ruining society
- Damn automobiles, ruining society
- Damn telephones, ruining society
- Damn electricity, ruining society
- Damn novels, ruining society
- Damn newspapers, ruining society
- Damn printing press, ruining society
- Damn written language, ruining society
- Damn iron tools, ruining society
- Damn bronze weapons, ruining society
- Damn agriculture, ruining society
- Damn fire, ruining society
Nothing is stopping you from running away into the mountains to life a tech free life
You honestly sound like the old fucks
I do, and that’s what concerns me. Because I’m only in my 20s. I could disconnect for a while, but I’m always going to have to return to society, whose constant changing caused this fatigue, eventually.
I don’t want my refrigerator connected to the internet
Yep
Try to buy a tv that isn’t a fucking smart tv, you just fucking can’t anymore.
This is what I’m on about, resisting is a loser’s game, even if you try it gets too hard :-(
what’s getting thrown at the wall.
Ah, well noticed. Yeah I guess a lot of the smart toasters etc is just the industry throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. You just reminded me how quickly 3D TVs disappeared after appearing.
Our lives do not need to be curated and polished into some technicolor madness.
Tell that to society 😩
But yes, we are definitely on the same page.
I think that the best way to get a smart tv is with a big monitor and a small raspberry pi, it makes sense and you have complete control over the hardware, rejecting anti-comsumer tactics is way better than rejecting technology
So much anger, so much vulgarity. This is exactly how I describe each of these things. It’s fucking maddening. Add in resentment for another fucking app that, surprise, is a mediocre service disguising more marketing collection. But I’m the crazy one because I don’t want to just let it happen
I still enjoy progress, but enshittification is exhausting.
exactly, I’m very thankful for the foss guys who put their work towards helping everyone
also I think it’s important to separate actual innovation from “innovations”, as the latter is just shit rich people throw at investors to get richer by lying
personally I think progress is still too slow, regarding things like space exploration, medicine, science, and where all the real stuff is at
I firmly believe humanity is destined for greatness and one day we may become basically gods, only ones of knowledge instead of raw omnipotence (if we dont get extinct in the next 200 years)
Stop doomscrolling.
For what you are writing, you are just getting angry at things you read not at things you live.
Revise which sources are you reading. If they made you unhappy, it is worth keep reading them? Most of those things won’t happen anyway or if happen you could easily avoid. I don’t feel the need to have an “smartwatch” so I just don’t have one, for instance.
Find some sources that make you happy, and you’ll find an improvement. Some people seems to only write things with the goal of making you feel miserable.
I’m just happy following my tech news about open source development and space exploration.
I agree with this. It sounds like OP is more bothered by “having this tech forced” on him than anything, but tech is inert, it is people that would make him feel like that.
The problem isn’t necessarily the tools we develop. The question is who do these tools empower.
If technological progress disproportionately empowers a minority and increases socioeconomic injustice, there is no true progress, merely increasingly elaborate repression and abuseI’ll keep it short, you got a lot of replies already. A lot of the tech is actually quite valuable and a lot of the promises of people like Elon Musk are, for lack of a better term, nearly complete horseshit.
What I’m personally exhausted by is how we’re doing all this and yet we can’t seem to bring ourselves to use it to help anyone. It isn’t the tech or the pace of development rather it’s the fact that we’ll triple someone’s productivity while keeping a five-day work-week with eight-hour days despite a mountain of studies and real-world examples showing how that’s not beneficial for anyone. So much of the development is going towards making the worst people more money and I fucking hate it so much.
we can’t seem to bring ourselves to use it to help anyone
Well, that’s not true. Thanks to CRISPR, we’ve been making huge leaps in medicine. Solar panels are getting better and cheaper. Battery development is advancing at a rapid pace. Satellite internet now enables wireless communication anywhere in the world. And LLMs provide lonely people with someone to talk to, anytime and anywhere.
There are countless of other examples like this. It’s not that none of this technology is used for good. We just seem to be addicted at focusing on all the negatives.
Which is part of why I brought up that it’s valuable as a lot of people here seem to have decided that it’s not. My main sentiment is that we hold it from a lot of people, and instead of going Star Trek future we’re careening towards Cyberpunk 2077 and there are morons who are genuinely excited about that.
Somebody once said that “dystopia is just taking current third world/minority situations and applying it to white people”. I’m bringing it up now because so much of the world currently lives without a lot of that technology simply because using it isn’t immediately profitable. Most* white people do have greater access to newer innovations and discoveries.
(The LLM advancement is that we’re getting closer to being able to use plain language to interface with technology but yea, sure, a couple lonely people can do that I guess and we’ll pretend that it doesn’t land in the dystopia category).
It would probably seem less daunting if we knew that these great technological innovations couldn’t be controlled and hoarded by a small group, but were instead widely available for the public to use on equal ground. And further, if we would all equally share in the efficiency benefits, rather than just a small group.
Like, if my boss told me half my job was being automated by ai, but I’d still get the same salary and only have to work 2.5 days per week, I certainly wouldn’t complain.
It feels to me like you don’t hate progress, but you hate late stage capitalism.
If progress happened without it being forced on you, without you “having” to adapt to not “fall behind”, when all your needs were provided for without having to compete to satisfy them…
Would you really mind progress that much?
Innovation keeps being forced on you
It’s not innovation, it’s just ads.
I think technology’s great, but the way people have chosen to use it is occasionally awful.
This is more in line with how I feel. Tech is great, but tech bros not so much…
The technology we create takes the form of the incentives that drive its’ creation. If we create technology for the exploitation of others we shouldn’t be surprised that people use it for the exploitation of others.
Probably time to step back how much social media you’re consuming.
Personally I find myself kinda saddened at how slow tech has advanced. I feel like it’s pivoted from creating new things to ruining old things.
Yeah, I think for 99% of people tech has really stopped evolving and we have allowed corporate bean counters to lock shit down and then abandon it. When the nerds ran the show we had innovation and constant improvement of a product because technology is awesome. Then capitalism killed it. Now you get a cool car with a shit infotainment system outdated and never updated the day you take delivery, when we could have some crazy shit with badass HUDs and sensors for everything. We could make it harder for assholes on the road to try and kill everyone. We could make all cars in the area aware of the road hazard driving 45 in a 55 during rush hour. None of that stuff makes the line graph go up though, so we wait for the next nerd with money and a desire to create the future.
What your experiencing is a kind of social decay due to people being squeeze more and more, and not just economically.
This isn’t specific to tech though, if there was no tech, they would just find other ways to make life harder.
This is just the journey we’ve been on since the Industrial Revolution where the market decides what our new environment is for the sake of profit.
The good news is that it’s a journey of ups and downs, so it could stop being dystopian soon.
This is just the journey we’ve been on since the Industrial Revolution where the market decides what our new environment is for the sake of profit.
Well said
The technological progress is what is not normal. Modern humans have been walking around, living their lives for 300,000 years. Agriculture is less than 12,000 years old, basically still brand new in comparison to the span of time that people just like us have existed for.
For nearly all of human history, generation after generation after generation for thousands of years lived very similar lifestyles with marginally improved, but familiar technology.
It is only in the last few hundred years, a tiny tiny sliver of the human timeline, that we have seen rapid technological progress that has completely changed the way people live their lives from one generation to the next. Lifestyle changes and paradigm shifts that used to take many many generations now are seemingly happening several times within an individual’s lifetime.
We have barely even had any time to adapt to agriculture, let alone capitalism or air travel or instant global telecommunication or AI, etc. So don’t be too hard on yourself about feeling fatigued. I feel it too. We are living in an alien world that we aren’t really “meant for”. You’re “supposed to be” a hunter-gatherer.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number
Shit, forget phones and AI, let’s go even more basic. Your brain still has essentially the same neocortex that people around 250,000 years ago had, and it is evolved to only be capable of processing/understanding a maximum of around 150 interconnected social relationships, the number of people that a hunter-gatherer 250,000 years ago could expect to know and interact with over their lifetime.
We haven’t had time to adjust to meeting and knowing more than about 150 people total in your lifetime. How many contacts are in your phone right now? I had like 500 facebook friends as a teenager and they were all people I knew outside of social media… Our current lives are extremely different than the life that our brain is equipped for.
ha, none of that will exist in your lifetime. i think youll be ok. is it that hard to just ignore the stuff youre not interested in?
Maybe it’s aggravated by the fact that I do programming and the industry standard libraries constantly keep evolving each year. You’re stuck perpetually playing catch-up.
yeah, im a full stack guy and im old and it sucks constantly having to learn for the job, but ya know it hasnt really changed all that much in the last 30 years. gen AI doesnt exist so its ‘revolution’ certainly isnt going to be pronounced before im retired.
im certainly not afraid of some predictive generation as its nothing knew, its just [much] better than it was.
you led with speaking with animals and virtual reality but that boiled down pretty quick didnt it?
Good luck ignoring social media nowadays. Whether you use them or not, you live in a society that does use them and you are impacted by its consequences.
And good luck trying to buy a new television that isn’t “smart”. Even cars are getting like that.
haahha ive been runnin BBs’s since the early 90s, and currently running a fully federating fediverse implementation of mbin. im not scared of running social media stuff. doesnt mean i cant ignore garbage tech like any VR.
and i only buy retail displays that dont include an onboard OS. they cost more, but theyre always worth it.
cars? my 1980 toyota celica aint goin nowhere. i can rebuild the 20r in my sleep.
i hate some of the new tech, but im also not afraid to completely work around it. you do you though
That’s the problem. Even if you want to be a Luddite, you have to do all the work for that yourself, because the entirety of society will be trying to pull you in the other direction :-/
Say you want the only computer you use to be an 80s computer: you can’t, because everything is online now. And society has since removed the adaptations that it had back then to an computer- and internet-less world.
I am now at the point where I think there are two things happening.
- Actual technological progress.
- Marketing bullshit pushed by dazzlers.
Examples for the first one would be new battery tech for electric vehicles, new ways to harvest renewable energy, new tools that allow to make software more stable,… Examples for the second would be NTFs, Crypto-Currencies, “AI”, e-Fuels,…
Trust me, I remember seeing an “AI powered” rice cooker. It was just Tefal rebranding their Fuzzy Logic technology. DankPods even made a video on that exact rice cooker.
