Bush wanted revenge for the assassination plot against his dad by Sadddam and a think tank tried to justify it with bringing democracy to Iraq.
I’m sorry but this is a childish explanation for the war in Iraq and has no material foundation. The president cannot be the only person in support of a war of this scale for it to go through, you need converging interests. Yes it’s correct the war was a continuation of Bush Sr.’s policies but that does not mean that Bush’s feelings were the only or main reason for it (and no evidence this is the case of course).
Everyone is ready for democracy. I believe everyone is capable of choosing to fight for democracy. The fact is people in Afghanistan choose not to fight for their democracy. Their military accepted bribes from the Taliban and the citizens did not rise up in response. I watched the news, it happened very quickly.
I do not care that you “watched the news.” America was NOT fighting for democracy in Afghanistan (I explained this and cited sources, apparently no need to reply to this). The Taliban was an anti-democratic American creation through the Mujahideen. Read Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent on why “watching the news” isn’t adequate.
We need to learn from our mistakes. We need to do better. Throwing our hands and giving up because of moral issues is not helpful.
Maybe the nation that inspired Nazi Germany and was built on racism and exclusionary liberation, that killed a million in Indonesia and [3.3 million in Korea, millions in Laos, 2.4 million in Iraq, etc.] and used Korean women for s-xual slavery en masse (Patriots, Traitors, and Empires, p. 33) is not some sweet teddy bear that “made some mistakes.” Maybe reform isn’t the answer. Maybe the U.S. isn’t endeavoring to “do better” (they’ve been quite successful in their goals, and I’ve yet to see any proof of good intention from the U.S.), and maybe these “moral issues” are indicative of a larger issue. Nobody is “learning from their mistakes.” The U.S. military is as violent as ever, helping Saudi Arabia carry out a genocide in Yemen with military support for instance. Where is this apologetic sweetheart you see? Fuck America and fuck everything it stands for. They haven’t even apologized for half of this shit.
I think it’s a good explanation for Bush’s motivation, but maybe he really cared about starting democracy in Iraq, I guess I’ll never know. There certainly weren’t weapons of mass destruction. But he used that idea that were WMDs and the climate of unity from the 9/11 attack to get Congress to go along with the invasion of Iraq.
Chomsky’s
The genocide denier, cool.
I don’t think I need to apologize for everything America is done. I don’t support our friendship with Saudi Arabia. We are clearly valuing oil over human rights with that relationship. I’m fine with criticizing my country because I want it to improve. I definitely want our government to do better and reform is obviously the answer.
Fuck America and fuck everything it stands for.
There is definitely an argument for changing the political and economic structures of the United States, but that’s not the argument you seem to be making. It seems like you arguing America’s ethical and moral issues disqualify it from being recognized for any of its accomplishments, standard of living, or stability it’s brought. The narrative you’re pushing doesn’t account for the hundreds of millions of people living in the US, it’s like they don’t exist at all to you. We are more than just the foreign policy decisions of our government. And we don’t agree with all of them, that’s for sure.
I double checked the thread to make sure. This is where the discussion started.
We aren’t going to tolerate intolerance in this instance. I personally don’t have a problem with communists. But I do have a problem with authoritarian communists. If you think me making this distinction is acting in bad faith, then you might run into more issues than just me here.
Feel free to keep criticizing America, that’s not an issue. It’s a fun national pass time. We get to do that in the US because we value our freedoms here. I can go around criticizing America in public whenever I want and I think it’s in the interest of my country if I do so.
Your defense of North Korea has done you no favors in my book if you want to be taken seriously. You would end up in a death camp if you publicly criticized North Korea the way you criticize America. Yet here in America you wouldn’t face any backlash from the government for your criticism. And you could go around saying how great North Korea is in American and the government wouldn’t stop you.
HRW is a U.S. government puppet “NGO” with no credibility outside of the West. Secondly, the UN document is based entirely on defector testimony, which has been thoroughly called into question and proven to be unreliable due to manipulation by the ROK. The state jails people who talk positively about the DPRK, including defectors, mainly through the National Security Law(Kraft, South Korea’s National Security Law), and pays defectors exorbitant amounts of money for atrocity propaganda. I’ll put it simply with a quote from Fanon’s The Wretched of the Earth: “For the colonized subject, objectivity is always directed against him.”
I’m sorry but this is a childish explanation for the war in Iraq and has no material foundation. The president cannot be the only person in support of a war of this scale for it to go through, you need converging interests. Yes it’s correct the war was a continuation of Bush Sr.’s policies but that does not mean that Bush’s feelings were the only or main reason for it (and no evidence this is the case of course).
I do not care that you “watched the news.” America was NOT fighting for democracy in Afghanistan (I explained this and cited sources, apparently no need to reply to this). The Taliban was an anti-democratic American creation through the Mujahideen. Read Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent on why “watching the news” isn’t adequate.
Maybe the nation that inspired Nazi Germany and was built on racism and exclusionary liberation, that killed a million in Indonesia and [3.3 million in Korea, millions in Laos, 2.4 million in Iraq, etc.] and used Korean women for s-xual slavery en masse (Patriots, Traitors, and Empires, p. 33) is not some sweet teddy bear that “made some mistakes.” Maybe reform isn’t the answer. Maybe the U.S. isn’t endeavoring to “do better” (they’ve been quite successful in their goals, and I’ve yet to see any proof of good intention from the U.S.), and maybe these “moral issues” are indicative of a larger issue. Nobody is “learning from their mistakes.” The U.S. military is as violent as ever, helping Saudi Arabia carry out a genocide in Yemen with military support for instance. Where is this apologetic sweetheart you see? Fuck America and fuck everything it stands for. They haven’t even apologized for half of this shit.
Take your pick of a source. Google is a free tool.
how many people in north korean death camps
I think it’s a good explanation for Bush’s motivation, but maybe he really cared about starting democracy in Iraq, I guess I’ll never know. There certainly weren’t weapons of mass destruction. But he used that idea that were WMDs and the climate of unity from the 9/11 attack to get Congress to go along with the invasion of Iraq.
The genocide denier, cool.
I don’t think I need to apologize for everything America is done. I don’t support our friendship with Saudi Arabia. We are clearly valuing oil over human rights with that relationship. I’m fine with criticizing my country because I want it to improve. I definitely want our government to do better and reform is obviously the answer.
There is definitely an argument for changing the political and economic structures of the United States, but that’s not the argument you seem to be making. It seems like you arguing America’s ethical and moral issues disqualify it from being recognized for any of its accomplishments, standard of living, or stability it’s brought. The narrative you’re pushing doesn’t account for the hundreds of millions of people living in the US, it’s like they don’t exist at all to you. We are more than just the foreign policy decisions of our government. And we don’t agree with all of them, that’s for sure.
I double checked the thread to make sure. This is where the discussion started.
Feel free to keep criticizing America, that’s not an issue. It’s a fun national pass time. We get to do that in the US because we value our freedoms here. I can go around criticizing America in public whenever I want and I think it’s in the interest of my country if I do so.
Your defense of North Korea has done you no favors in my book if you want to be taken seriously. You would end up in a death camp if you publicly criticized North Korea the way you criticize America. Yet here in America you wouldn’t face any backlash from the government for your criticism. And you could go around saying how great North Korea is in American and the government wouldn’t stop you.