It could be if enough people pushed for it, like they should, since it’s objectively better in every way from first past the post, and would actually make doing things like this work.
How does that translate into reality? More people want Medicare For All and legalized weed, and even abortion rights. It isn’t as simple as saying “it could be if enough people pushed for it,” the parties don’t operate on public will.
I believe what drives the direction of the parties is maintaining their position and appeasing their donors. Legislation that fits popular will but goes against the former drives, like RCV, are a fantasy.
It doesn’t, really. You’ll see when it fizzles out.
Additonally, we can see even in other countries with RCV that it doesn’t majorly improve things, RCV isn’t a panacea, the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie still dominates the electoral system.
I never said it was a panacea, I said you’d be able to vote for better candidates without risk, currently it makes no sense to vote for candidates that have no chance of winning.
if it fizzles out It’ll be because of republicans, that many bills in that short of a time is not insignificant
i don’t understand why you’re arguing against ranked choice, it’s objectively and obviously better than fptp
do vou think voting jill stein has a higher chance of success even though it’s mathematically impossible?
if everyone doing that instead pushed for ranked choice, maybe you’d get some actual long term results instead of just throwing your vote away
It’s probably best not to bother - these people want things as shitty as possible as fast as possible to make the revolution happen sooner or some shit
Except where it IS implemented…
Like legalizing weed, same slow ass path.
A few liberal areas do it, slow or scared folks see it is beneficial, it spreads, it becomes a topic at the federal level and has caught on enough that it is just an inevitably…assuming the government doesn’t somehow become christofascist because of some ignorant morons…but that is an edge case.
A few liberal areas do it, slow or scared folks see it is beneficial, it spreads, it becomes a topic at the federal level and has caught on enough that it is just an inevitably
This does not logically follow. Policy is not implemented because it is “popular” or “talked about,” but because it serves a material interest to the corporate donors of the DNC and GOP.
assuming the government doesn’t somehow become christofascist because of some ignorant morons…but that is an edge case.
Is that your analysis of fascism? That it exists because of Chrisitanity, and Christianity exists because someone thought of it?
Fascism is Capitalism in decay. It’s a violent defense mechanism, not a mold that infects people’s minds. America is heading down the fascist path regardless of who is in power because Capitalism is dying.
First bit is what has actually happened.
Second bit isn’t “an analysis” and your last paragraph would have Voltare rolling, but also isn’t relevant.
Out of morbid curiosity, I’d love to hear your fantasy world path forward for the country.
It benefits the DNC and GOP to let minor implementations of a toothless change pass so that people feel like they are making a differance.
Second bit is absolutely analysis, you claimed fascism happens if the fascists get elected. Where did the fascists come from, and why would they get elected?
As for a path forward, I’m a Communist, revolution is necessary. Join an org like FRSO or PSL.
Communism isn’t about picking a model and copying it, that idea was abandoned in the 1800s. Engels wrote an entire essay on it, Socialism: Utopian and Scientific. We can look to AES states and see where they found success and failure, but no AES state thus far has come from anything comparable to the 2024 US Empire’s unique material conditions and productive structures, so obviously we can’t copy any one country one to one, nor would we want to.
Ranked choice will not save anyone, nor is it even going to be established in the US.
It could be if enough people pushed for it, like they should, since it’s objectively better in every way from first past the post, and would actually make doing things like this work.
How does that translate into reality? More people want Medicare For All and legalized weed, and even abortion rights. It isn’t as simple as saying “it could be if enough people pushed for it,” the parties don’t operate on public will.
Do you believe no legislation has ever been passed due to public will?
I believe what drives the direction of the parties is maintaining their position and appeasing their donors. Legislation that fits popular will but goes against the former drives, like RCV, are a fantasy.
https://thefga.org/research/ranked-choice-voting-partisan-plot-to-disrupt-elections/
Great, it works out for the democrats, we just need it to be popular.
It doesn’t, really. You’ll see when it fizzles out.
Additonally, we can see even in other countries with RCV that it doesn’t majorly improve things, RCV isn’t a panacea, the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie still dominates the electoral system.
I never said it was a panacea, I said you’d be able to vote for better candidates without risk, currently it makes no sense to vote for candidates that have no chance of winning.
if it fizzles out It’ll be because of republicans, that many bills in that short of a time is not insignificant
i don’t understand why you’re arguing against ranked choice, it’s objectively and obviously better than fptp
do vou think voting jill stein has a higher chance of success even though it’s mathematically impossible?
if everyone doing that instead pushed for ranked choice, maybe you’d get some actual long term results instead of just throwing your vote away
I’m not arguing against RCV, I’m arguing against the idea that
1: it will ever pass, and
2: the idea that if it passed, it would change anything.
Revolution is necessary, something you’d think was obvious given your username.
It’s probably best not to bother - these people want things as shitty as possible as fast as possible to make the revolution happen sooner or some shit
Except where it IS implemented… Like legalizing weed, same slow ass path. A few liberal areas do it, slow or scared folks see it is beneficial, it spreads, it becomes a topic at the federal level and has caught on enough that it is just an inevitably…assuming the government doesn’t somehow become christofascist because of some ignorant morons…but that is an edge case.
This does not logically follow. Policy is not implemented because it is “popular” or “talked about,” but because it serves a material interest to the corporate donors of the DNC and GOP.
Is that your analysis of fascism? That it exists because of Chrisitanity, and Christianity exists because someone thought of it?
Fascism is Capitalism in decay. It’s a violent defense mechanism, not a mold that infects people’s minds. America is heading down the fascist path regardless of who is in power because Capitalism is dying.
First bit is what has actually happened. Second bit isn’t “an analysis” and your last paragraph would have Voltare rolling, but also isn’t relevant. Out of morbid curiosity, I’d love to hear your fantasy world path forward for the country.
It benefits the DNC and GOP to let minor implementations of a toothless change pass so that people feel like they are making a differance.
Second bit is absolutely analysis, you claimed fascism happens if the fascists get elected. Where did the fascists come from, and why would they get elected?
As for a path forward, I’m a Communist, revolution is necessary. Join an org like FRSO or PSL.
Which successful communist country should your America emulate?
Communism isn’t about picking a model and copying it, that idea was abandoned in the 1800s. Engels wrote an entire essay on it, Socialism: Utopian and Scientific. We can look to AES states and see where they found success and failure, but no AES state thus far has come from anything comparable to the 2024 US Empire’s unique material conditions and productive structures, so obviously we can’t copy any one country one to one, nor would we want to.