I suspect that this is the direct result of AI generated content just overwhelming any real content.

I tried ddg, google, bing, quant, and none of them really help me find information I want these days.

Perplexity seems to work but I don’t like the idea of AI giving me “facts” since they are mostly based on other AI posts

ETA: someone suggested SearXNG and after using it a bit it seems to be much better compared to ddg and the rest.

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      I prefer DDG, but I hate the news search. 90% of the results are paywalled.

      Oh, and sometimes the image search will return a pile of porn for a seemingly clean search request. I once searched for “R34 Skyline” expecting Nissans, and got VERY different results without safe search.

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        R34 is also short for rule 34 - “if it exists, there’s porn of it on the internet”

        So if you search R34 and anything, you’ll get porn.

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          Agree. It’s an important part of media literacy these days.

          For political news, I’m only interested in what was actually said, not what is reported to be said .

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          It’s just that Bing/DDG seem to promote news from these sites as if they’re sponsored links… but without the disclosure.

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            bummer.

            I see all the labeled sponsored links on Bing, but I generally get high quality results outside of those.

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            I’m pretty sure here in the states, a site is obligated to identify ad content and sponsored content, so when a big company like Microsoft or Alphabet is doing it (Bing and Google) it makes me wonder if there’s been a recent carve-out or relaxation of the reg.

            That makes the return adversarial to the end-user, hence the point of the regulations.

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        Every search engine I’ve encountered is weird about porn. At first it decides whether or not you’re looking for porn or not looking for porn. If it assumes you are then all the actual porn hits are promoted to the top, where non-porn hits are down-ranked. Vice versa, if it decides you’re not looking for porn.

        Once of the fun search engine games is to find out what sets of ambiguous words trigger the porn flag. Pure tended to be one due to a brand name, even when I was looking for pure minerals at the time. Siri created some conflicts, since there’s both a well known LLM digital assistant, rule 34 for the same and a popular porn star.

        I’d really like a search engine that let porn sites fall in the hit list without deciding first whether I was trying to look for porn, since I sometimes do metasearching.

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        is it? that kind of makes sense, because I still use Bing occasionally while Google is completely out of rotation, although I don’t find Bing as good as duckduckgo.

        edit: it is not! looks like the DuckDuckGo search engine is an aggregate of hundreds of search engines, including their own duck duck bot, excluding Google but including some Bing results.

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          Their FAQ hems and haws about that, but (in the past) I’ve done side-by-side tests and found identical results. Maybe something’s changed, maybe it hasn’t.

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            it must have done by now, then, I get different results from identical prompts in DuckDuckGo and Bing although both are usually relevant.

            “DuckDuckGo’s results are a compilation of “over 400” sources according to itself, including Bing, Yahoo! Search BOSS, Wolfram Alpha, Yandex, and its own web crawler (the DuckDuckBot); but none from Google.”

            are you having trouble finding something specifically or you just don’t like the quality of the search results you’re finding in general?

            definitely if you’re still on Google, stop using it.

            It’s completely useless at this point.

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      DDG often gives me results for individual words of the search but not results for all of the words in that order for which to have contextually relevant results.

      I often find myself forced to brave the shitshow that is google search.

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        that’s weird. the search results should still prioritize your search as is over variations, but not limit it. do you try searching in quotations to force the specific search exactly?

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        have you tried the duck assist thing yet?

        If you’re trying to talk to the search engine more like a chat assistant, that sort of response might be what you’re looking for.

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          Fuck Duck Assist all my homies hate Duck Assist and I keep having to turn it back off again.

          Whoever made it should get cancer and not have their children show up or call them back.

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            haha, whaaat why?

            I just saw it for the first time today, it seems to mostly quote incredible sources rather than amalgamating responses.

            you got some issues huh, poor fella?

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              I’m sorry I hurt your feelings and made you want to defend an LLM that approves copy pasted wikipedia snippets, but maybe you should go eat some ass?

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                “I’m sorry I hurt your feelings”

                I feel only pity for you.

                reading your comments is like watching a diseased guinea pig nibble on its own scabs.

                “an LLM that approves copy pasted wikipedia snippets”

                duckduckgo’s llm tool offers relevant information from credible sources.

                that is good.

                Good luck unbunching those panties.