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cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/14072409
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lmao:
Is there some way I can force Elon Musk to pay $47 to Cards Against Humanity PAC?
Funny you should ask! If you’re a registered voter in PA, GA, NV, AZ, NC, WI, or MI, just type your name into this dumb website for his PAC, put “MuskIsDumb@cah.lol” as your referrer, and they’ll be legally obligated to pay us $47. The more people who do this, the more Musk money we’ll get to un-fuck America. . If he doesn’t pay up, we’ll sue him again.
Edit: source page: https://www.apologize.lol/
How does that even work? I’m not in USA so I can’t even access that page.
Musk put up a PAC that pays non-voters in swing states $47 to register to vote (because the next president will be #47). I’m not sure if he has restrictions on his thing, like maybe you have to live in a red area in a swing state or something. Anyway, I think CAH has set it up so you can redirect that money to them instead.
Last I heard, you weren’t supposed to give people money to register to vote or promising to vote or anything like that, but trump was filmed giving out hundred dollar bills last week, musk is handing out money for registering, and now this. I’m not sure what’s going on except everything’s really fucked.
you weren’t supposed to give people money to register to vote or promising to vote or anything like that
It’s also incredibly stupid. You have no way of tracking who someone votes for once they’re in the booth. If I was in a swing state I’d be happy to take musk’s cash and vote for Harris like I was always going to do.
This is why it’s (sort of?) legal to do what they’re doing: paying for someone to vote a specific way is illegal for sure. And paying someone to vote is also illegal. But I believe that
paying someone to REGISTER to vote is legal so long as you do not actively restrict who can participate.It’s also okay to pay someone to write down a plan on HOW to vote, and to pay someone to write shit on the internet.So yeah. It’s very borderline.
But I think it technically passes musterNope, I was wrong. Paying people to register is still illegal
Yeah, I get it’s a counter protest, and it’s probably supposed to feel slimey and manipulative, but that’s all I feel from it. I don’t see some good side to this. I just see an overall destruction of our ideals.
It’s a sad state of affairs when the jesters are the only ones left speaking the truth. Satire has become reality.
It’s exhausting.
It’s bad for public schools to have religious officials as part of their staff. When The Stanic Temple does it the point isn’t to have people say “it’s okay when people we like do it” the point is to say “you guys are bending the rules? Okay, we’ll bend them until they break to force you to put a stop to it.”
The difference is they follow the law to show it’s absurd logical conclusions. This is just breaking the law as well. This is not the same.
They are literally asking people to post that this should be illegal.
Everyone is posting about getting paid for their apology. I did my part by getting a pack, and I want to post, too. What should I post?
You should post:
How is this not illegal??? Cards Against Humanity is PAYING people who didn’t vote in 2020 to apologize, make a voting plan, and post #DonaldTrumpIsAHumanToilet—up to $100 for blue-leaning people in swing states. I helped by getting a 2024 Election Pack: www.Apologize.lol
make a voting plan
You keep glossing over that part. That’s the problem part.
And literally nothing you posted corroborated your statement that they were asking people to state Trump/Elon’s actions are illegal. “A human toilet” is what’s used.
And yet the Republicans worked tirelessly on shit like making it so that water bottles can’t be handed out to those waiting in lines on hot voting days lest it sway someone’s vote.
How does the Musk part work? Musk launched a petition to pledge support for guns and free speech (I think that is what it is about, I did not read it nor understand how that is a petition). To AstroTurf support for the petition, he set up a referral code system. If you get a voter in a key state to sign the petition and say that you told the voter to sign, Musk’s Super PAC will pay you $47.
Getting people to sign Musk’s petition feels a bit wrong, even if the money is going to what CAH thinks is a good cause.
Man, USA politics are wild.
Boring dystopia moment
I’m all in favor of getting people to vote, but it seems out of line to pay people to vote (or at least claim they’re going to vote) for your party. Even if the other guys did it first, an eye for an eye makes the world blind.
They say it shouldn’t be legal. The first answer on the FAQ:
"Whats happening?
Cards Against Humanity is exploiting a legal loophole to pay America’s blue-leaning non-voters to (1) apologize for not voting last time, (2) walk us through a step-by-step plan of how they’d vote this time, and (3) post “Donald Trump is a human toilet” on social media. This whole thing should probably be illegal—so quick, give us your money before they change the law!"
The entire FAQ is worth a read, it’s pretty funny
It’s not asking for either of those things. The site’s terms explain it pretty plainly:
We are running a promotion to encourage eligible voters in the November 5, 2024 General Election in the United States that were eligible but did not vote in the 2022 or 2020 general elections to apologize for not voting (the “Promotion”).
[…]
ii. Receive an Entry by completing the following process:
- Entering your phone number;
- Entering your name, state of residence, and email, or additional information if needed to verify whether you voted in the 2020 General Election;
- If you did not vote in the 2020 General Election, enter your apology for not voting;
- Create a voting plan for if you would vote this year;
- To receive the full benefit, post on social media that #DonaldTrumpIsAHumanToilet. Not posting on social media will result in a reduced Benefit.
iii. “Voting plan” refers to your receipt of and acknowledgment of information on how you could legally cast your ballot in the November 2024 General Election.
iv. We will not check, confirm, or in any way ensure that you actually vote or follow the voting plan that you made. Creating a voting plan is not in any way a pledge that you will actually vote, and the Benefit is in no way conditioned on voting, or pledging or promising to vote. VOTING, OR NOT VOTING, IN NO WAY IMPACTS ELIGIBILITY FOR THE BENEFIT, OR THE AMOUNT OF THE BENEFIT.
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😂
It’s hard to blockquote things in Markdown, you always need more
than you expect :c
I agree. But it is a great example of why this is a shit idea that shouldn’t be allowed in the first place which I wager is at least partly what they’re going for
Apparently it’s in response to Musk and Trump handing out money.
they are not paying people to vote, they are paying people to apologize for not voting.
What if I voted and want a hundred bucks. I’m willing to make a shitter account to call TFG a human toilet for a hundred bucks.
According to them, they registered a Super PAC to run this promotion. As a Super PAC, they were able to buy data about voters (did the voter vote in the last election and, separately, predicted party affiliation based on profiling).
How do you know who didn’t vote?
We formed a Super PAC and bought the personal voting records of every American citizen from a data broker we found on the internet. It’s pretty fucked up.
New from J.D. Vance: Hillbilly firing a rifle into the air while balls deep in a squealing hog.
Perfect. That really is one of the best cards in the game.
They’re trying to buy votes? How the hell do they think that’s going to end?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/597
Seriously, how the hell do they think it’s going to end for them?
Nothing is happening to musk for doing it
Since you seem to enjoy legalese, please visit the site’s terms of service and read the rules for the promotion to learn why that’s not what is happening here.
Oh, it’s worse
Copy/pasted quotes from the site.
Do you know people who don’t vote?
It’s time for you to tell us who they are, especially if they’re in Wisconsin, Michigan, >Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Nevada, or Georgia. Don’t worry, we’ll just send one >friendly email about how they can get paid to apologize.
So, you know, fuck them right in the ass for that.
But, there’s this:
Who qualifies to get paid?
Any eligible voter who didn’t vote last time qualifies. But only blue-leaning people in swing states will get a BIG payment. (italics for emphasis mine).
Idgaf what they put in their tos, this shit will be what gets focussed on.
Maybe they skate by on a weak loophole, maybe they don’t. But it’s fucking stupid, and it’s dangerous when there’s already going to be a “voting fraud” storm of bullshit if trump loses.
This entire publicity gimmick is beyond stupid, and if it backfires, it’s going to be the rest of us that pay the price
You seem to have missed the context that this is a counter protest to multiple similar schemes on the republican side including one by Elon Musk thay they specifically mention. It’s meant to make you think ‘wait this is illegal, right?’.
I didn’t miss anything.
It’s a horrible idea, and it isn’t going to do a damn thing to counter anything the Republicans or musk do.
They are very clearly angling to make it illegal in the medium/long term. You might be familiar with similar efforts by the Satanic Temple. You take what the other side are doing to the logical extreme or would make the average person think “that’s very weird” and ask “is this OK? Gonna do something about it?”.
If you re-read OP you will see they do not ask for votes anywhere.
I suspect that’s what they’ll claim, but I can about damn guarantee it would come down to a jury deciding, and we all know damm good and well the GOP isn’t afraid of suing people
and that would be a win, because Musk is essentially doing the same shit.
edit for clarity: the win would be setting a precedence so musk or anyone else would be open to suit/prosecution too.
I would disagree for two reasons.
First, one case does not guarantee the same outcome in another, so there’s no certainty that any case against them would have any effect on musk at all.
Second, this is not the election to fuck around with anything even remotely vote manipulating. It’s already going to be a shitshow if trump loses. Having an actual, public statement made like this means it’s even easier to raise issues not only legally, but in the kind of minds that have already shown willing and able to attempt to invade the congressional building to attempt to kill people and gain power.
You might argue that that’s already damn near a guarantee of being repeated, and you’d likely be right, but you don’t throw gas on the fire for a publicity stunt.
There is absolutely no way this is a win for anyone.
First, one case does not guarantee the same outcome in another, so there’s no certainty that any case against them would have any effect on musk at all.
nothing is certain of course, but precedence is a very real thing in law.
Second, this is *not* the election to fuck around with anything even remotely vote manipulating.
i disagree that there’s much to worry about here but it’s a fair point.
I might agree there wasn’t much to worry about, except it’s already happened.
It hasn’t even been 4 years since January 6th 2021. But it’s been years where the people that organized it, and had plants in place, to plan better.
That’s the kind of thing that I’m talking about. While that’s going to happen regardless of this publicity stunt, or not happen regardless of it, it could be made worse.
The last time shit went down, trump and his far right supporters had to rely on outright lies. Shit like this could be enough to sway people on the fence into a more radicalized mindset. While it could be argued that if shit goes down, and if they fail, then those edge cases are better off being swept up in it and imprisoned after, I think that’s a very dangerous argument. I don’t like ifs when it comes to something this risky.
The entire point is that when people get upset about this you can ask “why is it okay when Musk does it?”
“He did it too” is on no law book as a credible defense anywhere. It’s basically just self incrimination.
Remember, you’re arguing for the Rule of Law, which states that no entity is above the law and it applies equally to all. In an ideal world, Musk wouldn’t be getting away with this. But in an ideal world, CAH will also face scrutiny. As they should. Though I agree they are only asking for a “plan to vote” and it’s vague enough to probably be fine.
i know it’s not a defense. the point is it would set a precedence, so Musk could be sued/prosecuted for it too.
So again, in your prefered version of this, Elon AND Cards Against Humanity are punished for breaking the law.
I’m advocating for a version of events where CAH doesn’t face penalties because they don’t commit a crime themselves. Want to advocate? Sure. Pay everyone who writes to their senator/congressperson about what Elon is doing and demand action. Something that’s legal. Get the same point across while not dragging the bar ever lower.
James Cameron can only dive so low to retrieve it again.
no, it’s not my “preferred” version, nor am i advocating for anything. i am simply discussing the possible outcomes.
i guarantee you CAH had a team of lawyers approve this before going public. some of y’all are overthinking it.
I really hope you don’t practice law
I certainly hoped you weren’t a dick, but we don’t always get what we want, do we?
If you encounter a dick online: that person was a dick.
If everyone you encounter online is a dick: you’re the dick.
That one person was a dick, until you came along, bringing the total across the entire thread to two.
*three
Wouldn’t be shocked if the case law on that has/will have broadened that statute to encompass this behavior.
They allude to that on the site; something like, “We’re just as surprised as you are that this is legal. Hurry and act because it probably won’t be for long”
It will go the same for them as it does for Musk, which makes it a win either way.
They know:
Q: Everyone is posting about getting paid for their apology. I did my part by getting a pack, and I want to post, too. What should I post?
A: You should post:
How is this not illegal??? Cards Against Humanity is PAYING people who didn’t vote in 2020 to apologize, make a voting plan, and post #DonaldTrumpIsAHumanToilet—up to $100 for blue-leaning people in swing states. I helped by getting a 2024 Election Pack: www.Apologize.lol
I have a new pack of CAH ordered for the first time since I wanted a good jar of clamonnaise
Suck my ass.
