The Green Party leader has hired a GOP consulting firm and worked with Trump-affiliated lawyers.
I’m sure the usual suspects will be along shortly to explain how this isn’t what it absolutely, positively is.
“Anything to beat the ‘duopoly’ of political parties, even if the party is tainted by neo-fascist dark money!”
Absolutely wild mental gymnastics lol
They really want a viable third party that peddles red fascism, BSW style.
Probably at the stage where it turns into ‘it doesn’t matter since she won’t win anyway, this is just a protest vote to show support for third party.’
Third party that are just Russians. What a pathetic way to protest.
The same ones that jillsplain to everyone how her sitting there with Putin is no big deal.
You mean Shillsplain?
Even better.
You called it!
With all this stuff about Jill coming out, it’s no wonder all the Lemmy.ml and Hexbears are so supportive of her. She’s a Russian asset!
What is the Russian word for Wumao?
It could just be she made a career out of unsucessfully running for president and doesn’t care where the money came from.
That’s supposedly how the whole Trump mess started.
You mean him just wanting to make money by running for president never actually expecting to run and regretting every minute of it while trying to be so vile he could never get elected again only to realize that’s what his base wants?
Are you confusing the Green candidate, Jill Stein with Claudia De la Cruz, the PSL candidate?
She does deserve praise for taking the correct stance regarding Gaza, but the general consensus of the Greens as a whole is that they’re useless because unlike PSL, they don’t organize between elections.
She doesn’t give a shit about Gaza.
She’s against sending weapons to Israel and she’s participated in the protests.
So much hard work.
She’s more anti Israel than quite literally every single member of the dem party.
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No, she’s not. I’m not sure when you people became indistinguishable from magats but man I hope some of you at least start to pretend to be normal like you guys almost did during Obama’s first run.
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Two of those aren’t news outlets, pardoning anyone that damages federal property is objectively a good thing.
Talk is cheap.
What do you expect her to do? Try to tackle Netanyahu into the Irish Embassy so he can be arrested and set to the Hague?
She could just have the police grab him. And, yes, hold him in jail until he gets a date for transfer to the Hague.
Jill Stein does not control the police.
Well, does she want votes or campaign money for doing nothing?
She wants to stop the genocide in Gaza, making both the candidates look bad by openly opposing it pressures them to make their policy less dogshit. If winning was more important to democrats than genocide, they’d drop the genocide. Sadly, it seems they’d rather lose the election than stop the genocide.
Idk, its not like she’s ambivalent. She seems to actually support the genocide.
What has she said that makes you believe that?
Of course they organize between elections. Just because the news doesn’t cover it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. They have parties in local office doing work year round
Insurrectionist*
…I would argue that even insurrectionist is being far, far too lenient. They should be called terrorists. But, yeah, calling them “rioters”…barf.
They should be called terrorists.
Stein’s campaign also paid $100,000 to a consulting firm, Accelevate, that has worked with Republican campaigns for signature-gathering services.
This is now the bar for “terrorism”?
Um, what? I’m commenting on the corporate media’s insistence on calling the insurrectionists “rioters”. I think even the term insurrectionist is a bit of a euphemism.
I’m commenting on the corporate media’s insistence on calling the insurrectionists “rioters”.
Oh, that. I mean, that was a riot in a very classic sense. To call it an insurrection feels romantic, relative to what amounted to a massive adult baby temper tantrum that left a handful of people dead. Insurrections tend to have stronger leadership and more strategy.
That is a shockingly
harshsick burn. Holy shit.Edit: still love it. Can’t stop thinking about how well this casually and truthfully states it.
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Ahh yes, seizing the means of production by nullifying a democratic election. Look at what the longshoremen are doing on the East Coast, that is seizing the means comrade.
Nuance would be your friend, if you understood it. There’s a difference between a fascist uprising, a populist uprising, and a revolution. At this point the leftists understand that one can be far more effective online than in person, and they are killing you into a false sense of security. Marx is your friend, especially Groucho and Karl. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, and Adolf Eichmann are not.
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Ahh, thanks for clearly stating where you align. I’m no statist, but just from your description, you’re clearly a statist apologist.
Disregarding the fact that that particular insurrection was incited by a sitting president, those insurrectionists were and are unrepentant bigots that chose violence over the social contract. That you defend them in any aspect merely shows your own reliance on the status quo.
Come back to me when you are actually willing to throw your own comfort aside, when the cops are around. I do so every single time I see a fucking pig.
Come back to me when you are actually willing to throw your own comfort aside, when the cops are around. I do so every single time I see a fucking pig.
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[…] unless you actually are a statist […]
Well then.
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I mean if you believe in democratic ownership of the economy then trying to undermine the democracy is basically treason.
Reality though is we’re voting for one faction of elites and another, less competent but more brutal set of elites via an election that has the trappings of democracy. Stealing that is depriving the public of the tiny crumb of choice we have, which honestly should bring out the bloodlust against the Jan 6th people. Why take away our final bit of control?
You’re basically making the argument “Its just a crumb of democracy, why bother?” but for most people in the US it is the last remaining crumb of control over our government and expecting people to surrender it entirely to elites is some insane shit.
Elites here are generally the economic elites: Musk, Gates, Bezos, other corporate CEOs who would love nothing more than to take away the public’s final bit of influence over government.
they made the government poopy their pants
If this had been a private property owned by one of your favorite mega-corps rather than the legislature’s main office, I suspect you libertarians would be singing a different tune.
What is it about the Non-Aggression Principle that just melts away for the Reich-Wing Party when its a mob of anti-immigrant psychos busting a cop’s head open with a flag pole?
I’m an insurrectionary anarchist. please don’t associate them with me.
Same, when I saw Jan 6 my first thought was “damn imagine if we anarchists could organize like that and just storm the government”. Hopefully one day
I was shouting “wrong side” at my tv screen. for some reason I thought there would be a black bloc out that day.
I laughed while muttering, “they’re doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.”
Nothing about this story or Jill is important except for one thing. She is aligned with Putin in denying Ukraine weapons to defend itself. She may not be purposefully supporting Putin but she is supporting his position and making his position stronger ignoring Putin’s past patterns of behavior.
Jill was always a double agent
In Nevada, the Democratic Party initiated a lawsuit to exclude the Green Party from the ballot, claiming the party used the wrong form to collect signatures from voters. The Green Party appealed the case and was represented by Jay Sekulow, an attorney who defended Trump throughout his impeachment trials (last week, the Nevada Supreme Court rejected Stein’s bid to be put back on the ballot).
In Wisconsin, Democratic National Committee employee David Strange sought to remove Stein from the ballot by arguing the Green Party can’t nominate presidential electors without legislative candidates eligible to do so. The Wisconsin Supreme Court declined to hear the case. Stein was again legally represented by a Trump-affiliated lawyer, Michael D. Dean, who was involved in lawsuits that attempted to overturn the results of the 2020 election, the Journal reported.
From another article:
The affidavit originally submitted with the Green Party’s petition in July 2023 was the correct one. However, because the petition that the Green Party submitted contained a separate mistake, an employee in the secretary of state’s office sent the party a sample petition that included the wrong affidavit – for use with petitions to put initiatives and referenda on the ballot. As a result, the affidavits that the Green Party later submitted with its petitions did not contain the attestation required for access to the ballot.
The secretary of state eventually announced that the Green Party had submitted enough signatures to qualify for the 2024 general election ballot.
The Nevada Democratic Party went to state court in June of this year, arguing that the signatures were invalid because the Green Party had used the wrong affidavit.
On Aug. 12, the state trial court ruled in favor of the Green Party, but on Sept. 6 a divided Nevada Supreme Court reversed. It concluded that the attestation that the Green Party had failed to include “serves an essential purpose.” Therefore, the majority reasoned, allowing the Green Party to have its candidates on the ballot when it had not fulfilled all of the prerequisites to do so would nullify “the requirements that were put in place for the public’s benefit.”
SCOTUS ruled with the Nevada Supreme Court and chose to keep the Green Party off the ballot. Their only real mistake here was really just some legal red tape filled out incorrectly. It doesn’t really matter if Jill Stein is a terrible candidate or not, the two party system will clearly go to the ends of the earth to kill 3rd parties from every becoming a thing lol. I guess it matters more for democrats since green party would be taking out more of their votes than republicans.
See also: the Dems suing to kick Claudia De La Crúz off the ballot in Georgia and PA. “Democrats” in name-only.
The DNC seems overly happy to use bureaucracy as a cludgel to reduce options “legally” to themselves.
While I get the fear beating down your competition in an underhanded manner doesn’t inspire a whole lot of good will and also seems extremely unlikely to get the people you have just disenfranchised to vote on your side.
They resist any movement or adoption of new policy in favor of it staying as stagnant as possible. It’s a deeply confusing and long term failing idea. Just look at how Kamala is now polling worse with each passing week. She felt like change and initial momentum of “joy” was able to carry her a little but it’s not a permanent state and the initial dopamine is running out.
The affidavit originally submitted with the Green Party’s petition in July 2023 was the correct one. However, because the petition that the Green Party submitted contained a separate mistake, an employee in the secretary of state’s office sent the party a sample petition that included the wrong affidavit – for use with petitions to put initiatives and referenda on the ballot. As a result, the affidavits that the Green Party later submitted with its petitions did not contain the attestation required for access to the ballot.
Wow.
Wow, Dems actually exercised power in a legal manner to improve their chances. That is wild. Hope they don’t break their backs slapping themselves.
They will always do it so long as it weakens the left. The DNC exists to badger any left of center movement toward their center right position, and even put DNC funds to extremist right winger campaigns boosting Christian nationalist platforms… learning nothing from clintons pied piper failures only pushing us all closer to a fascist hellscape just to say guess we vote blue since we have nowhere else to go. Fuck Jill Stein and all but this is the exact shit that leaves me voting for literally any socialist instead.
And the left exists to siphon votes towards the right. See? Unsubstantiated claims work both ways.
I mean I agree with everything you said about democrats, but I don’t view voting as some endorsement of a system or party. I vote for the conditions I want to organize under.
Fair enough. Thats why I usually downballot blue too. At best it prevents local rightwingers from gaining momentum and at worst it gives the DNC enough rope to hang themselves with.
I only see the system changing in two scenarios short of civil war or coup. Either the dnc will lose and all the less privileged libs who wont collaborate with the fash join the fight, creating an actual resistance OR the dems will sweep a super majority and continue to enact right wing policies for the entire term with no excuses, disenfranchising young voters and creating a vacuum for a third party.
@UniversalMonk@lemmy.world, your thoughts?
I think he’s still under his temporary ban ;)
Only 21 hours to go before we get graced with their wonderful presence again!
Oh boy, I can’t wait to see more sealioning, fake positivity and condescension from them!
Oh, wait. I have them blocked. Oh well!
Awww…temporary? Why?
Honestly, I think the mods should be promoted to sainthood for the level of patience they’ve shown with Monk (who as of late runs what seems to be a community related to MGTOW but without the toxicity called MRTOW) which is so beyond what I feel I’m capable of. I hope Monk appreciates the level of leeway they’ve been given here.
I’m honestly not sure if sainthood is the way I’d put it. It feels negligent to me. But in fairness I’d love to hear the mods perspective on what they consider the threshold for trolling. It almost feels like it’s a secondary offense here. Like they won’t ban you for trolling, it’s got to be trolling aaaand [pejoratives|hate speech|etc].
Is this MRTOW/MGTOW just mask-off incel shit? I think it would fine to ban that level of toxicity permanently.
I love how the one downvote on this comment only appeared after a certain someone’s ban had expired 🤣
I thought that username felt familiar, so I clicked through to their profile. Yup, already blocked lol.
lmao same
I have more respect for people who don’t vote then I do for people who vote for her.
And I do NOT respect people who don’t vote at all.
That is a tough call for sure. I’d have to see their down ballot votes before I decide. If they took time out of their day to be a full clown, yeah, at least the person sitting it out didn’t waste any paper while doing nothing.
The Green Party in the USA is f’n weird.
The Green Party has no incentive to act professionally because voters cannot punish them electorally for it.
They also, unlike their voters, understand there is no possibility of electoral success. So there is no positive incentive for it either.
Well said.
I never see positive posts about Kamala because centrist Dems know that there isn’t anything they can post about her that will be actually appealing so their only tactic is to beat up on the anti-war leftist candidate as much and as often as possible
You’re kidding, right? Right now, the front page consists of whatever stupid shit Trump has done recently, downvoted crap pushing Putin’s favorite “anti-war leftist candidate,” and positive news about Kamala Harris and her campaign.
What positive news about Harris? All I’ve seen is her make statements assuring the population that she’s right of center
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Democrats litigate to deny a candidate ballot access, candidate hires non-democrat lawyer to defend herself and democracy.
Probably quite a few “non-democrat” lawyers that didn’t storm congress. Weird how she chose one who did and that wasn’t a dealbreaker for her. 🤔
Oh yeah you knew all about this firm and all of its members activities before this story. Theres just so many ballot access consultancy firms specifically fighting against democrats efforts to obstruct democracy.
Are you saying no lawyer should represent a defendant? If those lawyers didn’t represent the defendants, who would? The Constitution mandates that defendants have competent legal representation.
This is about the guy doing the storming, not the lawyer defending that guy.
The criticism was that Stein hired the lawyer.
And the criticism of the lawyer was that he was a J6 rioter, not that he defended one.
Oh. This thread has s lot of comments, it’s hard to keep up. I wonder why no one’s filed a bar complaint? Thanks for the correction. That’s food for thought.
I wish she’d go away tbh.
Did nobody here read the article?
A spokesperson for Stein said she was unaware of Pool’s reported connection to Jan. 6; a lawyer for Pool insisted his client was filming a documentary, not taking part in the attack.
Just because you’re somewhere people are doing bad things doesn’t mean you’re in support of it, especially if you’re filming them doing bad things…
The real story here is that she had to pay any law firm at all to fight against the Democratic party to get on the ballot, because the Democratic party is suing to undermine democracy.
Riiiight. She was totally unaware of it. Because Russian shills are notorious for being honest about their deceit.
You still didn’t read it, did you?
Oh I read it. I think she’s full of shit like she has been the entire time.
Again, you’re not reading it. I’m referencing the last part. Literally just read.
Sounds like they read it, and decided it sounded like bullshit.
They keep referencing what Jill said, which tells me they didn’t read it. I didn’t say anything about what Jill said. I referenced the fact that they were making a documentary about the event. And they literally condemned it as an “attack”. Insurrectionists defend the insurrection
She’s a Russian shill. That’s what the article says. I fail to see why you’re here defending it still.
There’s what they claim they were there for that hasn’t been litigated yet and what they are seen on video doing (carrying around a bike rack style blockade and waving a gadsen flag). This is completely ignoring the recent assault charges they’ve received these are both easily found online.
Yeah. While I think its wack to vote 3rd party given the risks of a republican win with anything nowadays. Stein has been around for awhile and if she was motivated by a win at all costs type thing she would not be part of the green party. I mean she could have easily ran for house or senate as a democrat and likley have had a political career for the last few decades.
Do you ant Jill shills understand how corrupt the Democratic party is? Biden straight up supported segregation and Kamala jailed poor children’s parents because they skipped school.
And there’s countless times Democrats have collaborated with Republicans.
Imagine defending Stein’s lack of empathy for the genocide in Ukraine… even just remotely.
As close as we are to the election, they’re getting more desperate.
So your response os to let trump win?
So you’re saying the slavery preserving Electoral College is my fault?
Yes, it is if you don’t do anything about it.
‘hurdur I am voting for a party that never wins. I am sure love helping!’ People have died for less and here you are bitching and crying like a little first world brat because your ego wont let you do what little you can to actually help. Hate the electorial college? The democrats are the only chance you have at switching to the popular vote. But you don’t actually care.
If I could award this, I would. Well said!
No it’s not. Sorry it’s not the responsibility of the most vulnerable to take on power just so you can be comfortable in the middle class. Enjoy Trump all because you were too cowardly to take a stance on genocide.
So your answer is to let it happen in Ukraine too. Interesting.
Olympic level cognitive dissonance needed to get all these hoops aligned
Oh, you are one of the ones who think Trump will try and stop Putin. Gotcha.
I am not voting for Trump. You are the ones who wont do anything to stop him. If you gave a shit about the vulnerable you would do something to make sure the ‘they are eating the pets’ guy does not get into power. And that is not throwing your vote away to a hopeless party.
“stAncE oN gEnoCIde”
Sorry it’s not the responsibility of the most vulnerable to take on power just so you can be comfortable in the middle class.
In Soc 110, we were taught that’s exactly why there is a middle class: to serve as a buffer between the wealthy and the poor. The middle class is shrinking.
There’s a middle class because of settler colonialism and WWII. You get to have a house because a whole continent of land was stolen via genocide. So it’s no surprise Western libs won’t stand against the Gaza genocide since your own wealth is predicted on genocide as well.
Yes. Maybe that’s why even though I voted for Clinton, I still was sympathetic to Antifa and Black Bloc. Cognitive dissonance was loud. And I fervently hope I don’t backslide.
When you protest vote? Yes. That is what people are saying.
Anti Jill Shills?
Wait… You mean some of you are actually getting paid to publicly point out this flawed candidates’s clear record of failure/inaction, especially dirty funding sources, “interesting” vodka scented dinner parties and clear intentions as a spoiler candidate working purely on behalf of conservatives?
Do you Shill Stein supporters know what whataboutism is? It’s 2024. Someone HAD to have explained it to you by now.
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What is this? A Jill for ants? It needs to be at least 3 times bigger!
I understood this reference
