• ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world
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    Third parties in the US are almost exclusively tools for siphoning votes off the main parties.

    But if you still think government runs the show you are out to lunch. Corporations have been dictating policy for a long long time in the US, and the laws are only making it easier for corporations to directly own politicians.

    The only one who will change this is if a huge amount of voters organizing and demanding change. Like current levels Republican stochastic terrorism, but for things like healthcare, education, workers rights, consumer rights etc.

    Corporations spend a lot of time and money taking these things away from us, and we’ve been generally watching the middle class disappear for decades.

    It will take sustained, active, pressure, and vigilance from the people to make corporate money is not worth it and politicians make decisions based on benefitting their constituents.

    Unfortunately, nowadays most constituents only care about making life difficult for others instead of better for everyone including themselves.

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      But we can at least start by going after Citizens United. Stochastic that shit please.

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    And the Dems dicked with RFK to get him to run independent instead of possibly getting a Democratic delegate. Both parties will do whatever necessary to make sure the two-party system is maintained and outsiders don’t threaten their control. What else is new?

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      Rfk is not a dem. He should never have run dem. He’s a republican or libertarian, and also a plant just like Jill to steal votes from dems. Gtfo with that both sides shit.

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        Yep. Only in his case, he was so obviously bonkers that he only appealed to Republicans who wanted a slightly different flavor of insanity from Trump, so pushing him was something of a foot-bullet.

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        That’s nice dear, but he’s a moderate dem like manchin, pelosi, or that guy that hated video games.

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        I got my absentee ballot for MI and RFK Jr is listed as Natural Law party. I had to look up what that even is. The Libertarian candidate is Chase Oliver. The ballot has 8(!) choices for president: Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Green, Natural Law, and 2 unaffiliated.

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        Then the Dems would have nothing to fear by letting him run in the primary, right? Oh wait…if he got even 1 delegate, they couldn’t have just handed the nomination to Harris. There might have been a debate or a vote? The party that’s “defending democracy” can’t have that, I guess.

        And in some instances, both sides actually do the same shit. Can you really not see that since at least Perot, if not McGovern, they’ve both been doing whatever possible to exclude third parties when they’re a threat, or support them when it’s convenient?

        I bet you think professional wrestling is real too…

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          If you think rfk was ever a real candidate and not a prop from the right wing to disrupt the democrat turnout then I mostly just feel sorry for you.

          I’m guessing you’re the kind of person that would wanna hear “both sides” on topics like was the holocaust actually a good thing or not.

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            Who cares who got RFK to run? Let the candidates debate, and let the citizens vote. Why are so many people scared of that concept that no one is talking about the fact that the DNC rigged three consecutive primaries?

            I do believe that just about every major issue that this country/world is facing deserves a more nuanced discussion than just the ® and (D) party platforms. Life is rarely that simple. Wouldn’t you like to have had a better idea of where Harris stands on everything and maybe have been questioned and challenged a bit before the convention? Or are you just happy to have a not-Trump candidate that isn’t senile?

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          If RFK (or Williamson, or Phillips) had some delegates they would’ve still been able to appoint Harris. Uncommitted got 37 delegates and they were just ignored.

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    Progressives: The Democrats need to stop going high when the other side goes low. That’s why they’re always losing.

    Democrats: We’re going to prop up third party candidates to siphon Republican voters like they do to us.

    Progressives: Not like that!

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    His group, he said, was “fighting back against their vote suppression scheme, leveling the playing field, and ensuring this November’s election will be free and fair.”

    That’s a bit rich, a GOP group calling Dems out for vote suppression. Pot call the kettle black, anyone?

    “The Democrats openly ran around this spring thumping their chests about how they were going to war against third party candidates and trying to limit the choices of the American people at the ballot box,” Collins told RealClearPolitics.

    You know what though? If these folks really believe in free and fair - I want to see them spending money on elections where RCV or some other better than FPTP method is used.

    Of course they wouldn’t because in those cases there’s no benefit to the GOP.