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      Yeah it seems like, this is some entirely naive view of the world, people tend to forget that they are free to go into the woods and forage food etc, but then they wouldn’t have their phones and pcs to post absolute nonsense on the internet.

      Like what does op think people did before “salary” they worked from dawn till dusk on a patch of land trying not to die, before that they foraged and hunted, surviving day to day

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    This is some libertarian “be your own boss” bullshit

    The salary is the least amount of money they think they can pay you to work, but the problem is not the work itself. It’s the “money required to survive” aspect.

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      Well you don’t need money at all to survive, you can just go into the woods and forage and survive that way, but it turns out it’s a lot of work, dangerous and not very effective, so people prefer living in a comfy place, and have comfy stuff and have readily available access to food and other services, but someone has to make that happen it’s not free and you doing adhoc tasks in exchange as in barter is just not effective and thus we have an introduced and intermediary thing called money, where you exchange your time for money and then you can exchange your money for goods and services.

      Now how we do this, aka capitalism is largely terrible as it rewards already having or accumulating capital ( as the name suggests) but that doesn’t mean that money as it is, is somewhat terrible.

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        ☝️🤓 actually people survived before money ! Fool !

        Lemme go tell my 80 year old grandma on a fixed income to go forage instead of heading to Albertsons.

        Money is required for survival in any nation where you’re getting a salary for your work. Dying 40 years early because your body gives out from giardia isn’t surviving.

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      Thats not completely true, usually they pay people less then what they need to survive so people are desperate enough to do overtime and overnight shifts.

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        Which is what the original poster said, the amount of money is the issue. And boy is it, there’s nothing quite as depressing as going to work every single day and wondering why you even bother. Makes ya reeeeeal productive, too, being distracted and unmotivated.

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          You work every day so the capitalist can hoard an obscene amount of wealth like a dragon

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        That happens constantly with hourly workers, slightly less so with salaried.

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    As long as your dream is getting arrested for trying to sleep on a bench covered in spikes

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      Yes. But which one?

      Also there is an option C/D if you’re willing to make sacrifices or crush other people.

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        This is very true. I haven’t ever been the “Crush other people” type but I have sacrificed some things to live a very particular way that is one of the few ways I imagine would work for me to live. It makes me so sad and angry that this is the system we’ve put in place, and how it subjugates the whole world.

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    “You already gave up if you took their advice. If you played their game, you payed their price” -Ryan Harvey (Peace Justice and Anarchy)