Footage of two New York City police officers opening fire at a subway station as they confronted a man holding a knife shows they fired at him as he was standing still, his arms by his side and his back to a train.

Footage of two New York City police officers opening fire at a subway station as they confronted a man holding a knife shows they shot at him as he was standing still, his arms by his side and his back to a train.

In the days since Sunday’s shooting, police officials have repeatedly emphasized that the officers fired after Derell Mickles “charged” at one of them, and when their attempts to deescalate the situation and use Tasers had failed — leaving them with little choice but to resort to deadly force to protect themselves and passengers.

The footage, uploaded to the NYPD’s YouTube page Friday, offers a different view of the shooting that not only wounded Mickles but also a bystander, who was hit in the head with a stray bullet. Gregory Delpeche, 49, was sent to the hospital in critical condition, where doctors had to open up his skull to reduce brain swelling, according to his family.

  • orcrist@lemm.ee
    125·
    2 个月前

    Just in case anyone lives under a rock, this is another great example of how the cops are not there to protect you. They will hurt you, intentionally or accidentally, and they will never apologize or try to make amends for what they’ve done. They will always blame somebody else.

    And if you don’t believe me, ask yourself this. When people on the New York subway see someone with a knife next week or next month, will they be happy if the police arrive? Or, will they run away, because the police are there. I think we all know the answer to that question.

  • MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net
    64·
    2 个月前

    Footage of two New York City police officers … shot at him as he was standing still, his arms by his side and his back to a train.

  • macniel@feddit.org
    52·
    2 个月前

    It’s not even funny anymore how utterly incompetent (and bigoted) the police force in America is.

  • collapse_already@lemmy.mlEnglish
    30·
    2 个月前

    “We had to shoot. We left our hand grenades and bazooka at home by mistake. HQ wouldn’t authorize the nuclear strike unless he had a gun.”

    • Cadeillac@lemmy.worldEnglish
      14·
      2 个月前

      From what I’ve gathered, they stated an unidentified man left the crime scene with the knife. They showed a still from “body cam footage” of a hand holding a knife, but someone said the clothes didn’t match up

      • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
        5·
        2 个月前

        So yes, I guess. I’d seen reporting saying he did, then he didn’t, then he did but he didn’t take it out, then someone did have a knife but not him, then he did have a knife but dropped it and someone took it.

  • dan@upvote.au
    17·
    2 个月前

    What a word salad of a headline. Did the officers wound the four that got wounded? Did the man with the knife wound them? Was the man with the knife involved with the shooting at all? Really confusing.

    • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
      35·
      2 个月前

      Yes. The cops shot 4 people. The man with the knife, two random people on the train, and one of the cops. One of the random people is in the hospital with brain swelling, and may be brain dead.

      The cops claimed they had to open fire because the knife wielding man charged them. This video shows he did no such thing when they shot him, he wasn’t even waving it around. He turned his head with his hands down on at sides, his back to the train, standing still. That’s when two of the cops opened fire on him and a crowded train.

      The article that is linked explains what happened.

      • capital@lemmy.world
        4·
        2 个月前

        The cops claimed they had to open fire because the knife wielding man charged them. This video shows he did no such thing when they shot him, he wasn’t even waving it around.

        Let’s get one thing clear, he definitely chased a cop with the knife out. Clearly unstable and screamed “shoot” several times during the encounter. I say that to demonstrate his state of mind, not that people who say that should be shot.

        The suspect charging the cop is at the linked timestamp: https://youtu.be/-EaAraFPzEo?t=952

        • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
          7·
          2 个月前

          Yes, at one point they had a justification to fire, although that was clearly a dangerous action at any point. They did not have a reason to shoot him and the 3 other people when they did.

          There needs to be an imminent threat to them or bystanders when using deadly force. He was an immediate threat to neither at the time. Their recklessness has effectively ended one innocent persons life, and injured several other people.

          • brbposting@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            4·
            2 个月前

            at one point

            Stopwatch estimate - that one point was at most 2.75 seconds before the first shot was fired.

            Guns (violent use thereof)/violence suck, feel like you would need a lifetime of training to ignore the adrenaline that had built three seconds earlier and be able to say to yourself “OK, I was being chased with a knife just now but upon turning my head I was no longer being chased so back to verbal negotiations“.

            [not defending anybody but-]

            If I studied for a quiz with the question:

            “what’s gonna happen if you chase a cop with a knife but then stop chasing him?“

            …and the study material were copies of every police training manual in the world… and every single training manual said:

            ”you will lose your job and go to jail if you shoot guys with knives if they stop chasing you“

            …I would answer the question “you’re gonna get shot” :)

            Poor bystanders :(

            • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
              6·
              2 个月前

              I am enjoying the heavy peppering of “not defending the cops, but” every few sentences as you defend them, but overall these cops let adrenaline override good sense and what I expect is at least some training to shoot wildly at a train car full of people.

              All to “stop” a man who was not actively working to injury them or others. Their lack of professionalism and reliance on dumping lead into a crowded train has left an innocent man now effectively dead.

              No amount of “poor bystanders, but with emoji sad face” will make their actions okay. A hearty “thoughts and prayers” isn’t enough here.

    • pyre@lemmy.world
      4·
      2 个月前

      it says shooting that wounded 4 people. the guy had a knife. unless you know how to shoot with a knife, it’s obvious that the cops wounded them.

      • dan@upvote.au
        1·
        2 个月前

        It’s ambiguous - is the “subway shooting” referring to the police shooting, or were the police responding to a separate shooting, and someone involved in that shooting also had a knife?

        • pyre@lemmy.world
          1·
          2 个月前

          fair enough, but at this point you’re not cooperating. if the shooting was separate they would have mentioned it: … firing at man with knife while responding to shooting…

  • capital@lemmy.world
    3·
    2 个月前

    I’m here for the goalpost moving. Last thread regarding this incident was a bunch of “cops are lying”, “there is no knife”, and “yeah that’s a picture of a knife but we don’t know it’s real”.

  • Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de
    3·
    2 个月前
    • The guy was spotted with the knife and walked on a train with no more than two officers engage him.
    • They used the taser and it failed.
    • He walks out and they immediately chase and pull guns.
    • He stops and is standing 5-7 ft away with cops on both sides.
    • At least two officers stand off with him.

    For all the money they spent, why was it only two officers? I thought it would fix everything? Instead another shooting with innocent people being affected.

    https://www.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/773-22/mayor-adams-governor-hochul-major-actions-keep-subways-safe-address-transit