“Jill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia. After parroting Kremlin talking points and being propped up by bad actors in 2016 she’s at it again,” DNC spokesman Matt Corridoni said in a statement to The Bulwark. “Jill Stein won’t become president, but her spoiler candidacy—that both the GOP and Putin have previously shown interest in—can help decide who wins. A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.”

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      The problem is that “support genocide” is being used overly broadly.

      The stated policy of the Biden/Harris administration is that Israel has a right to defend itself.

      Surprise! They do. Every sovereign nation has that right.

      As a result of that stated policy, Biden and Harris both support providing weapons and funding for the continual defense of Israel.

      https://www.npr.org/2024/08/23/g-s1-19232/kamala-harris-israel-gaza-dnc

      So follow me here:

      1. Israel has a right to defend itself.
      2. The US will support that defense.

      Where it breaks down is Bibi and Likud taking that defensive support and directing it into the Genocide.

      That’s on THEM. The United States is making a good faith effort to provide support for the defense of Israel. Israel is intentionally misapplying that support.

      Trump’s stated policy is that Israel needs to kill everyone quicker.

      https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d

      “They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”

      Only one of these two policies is pro-genocide, Trumps.

      Biden/Harris is pro-defense which is illegitimately being used for genocide, not at all the same as being pro-genocide.

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          1. It’s not going to be finished by January.

          2. Israel doesn’t need our help to shoot little kids in the chest and head. Bullets are cheap.

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            Israel doesn’t need our help to shoot little kids in the chest and head. Bullets are cheap.

            Then they can do it without our help. We don’t need to be complicit.

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                They don’t need our support which is why they’re completely ignoring our demands.

                Then why not withdraw our support? They can “dEfEnD tHeMsElVeS” without our help.

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                  Because if we withdraw our support, they would get immediately attacked by Iran, and there would be chaos in US politics. Harris would lose the election, and Trump would be installed.

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                    Because if we withdraw our support, they would get immediately attacked by Iran, and there would be chaos in US politics

                    We weren’t selling them weapons for genocide before October 7. We can withhold weapons without withholding overall support. And Israel has nukes while Iran doesn’t. Iran wasn’t invading them before we started selling them weapons for genocide.

                    I love how Israel can take care of themselves so there’s no point in stopping weapons sales, but they can’t take care of themselves so we have to keep selling them weapons.

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                They don’t produce the weapons they buy from us. Eventually they could stand up domestic production, but it would absolutely impact the current war. Israelis themselves have said that. You’re just making up excuses the actual people involved don’t make.

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        This shit is so disjointed. Its not a genocide, its only a genocide because the countrys leaders want it to be, Biden is only arming a genocide because those leaders want to use the weapons for genocide. You’re stuck, man, you cant get past any of the uncomfortable truths. You cant make an argument that its not a genocide. You cant make an argument that our government is not arming and funding that genocide. You cant make an argument that youre not supporting a candidate that is likely to continue to arm and fund that genocide.

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        That’s on THEM. The United States is making a good faith effort to provide support for the defense of Israel. Israel is intentionally misapplying that support.

        This is not a good argument. They’re not infants, they have agency and the ability to perceive the impacts of their actions.

        Biden/Harris is pro-defense which is illegitimately being used for genocide, not at all the same as being pro-genocide.

        Eh, it certainly means they’re not proactively anti-genocide.

        But more importantly it’s not going to move someone uncomfortable with the Democratic material support for the genocide a single iota closer to accepting that there is still a better candidate both for Palestine and for all the aspects where they’re actually good, not just not as a bad.

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      Yeah they have gotten that bad. I’m glad that you’ve finally decided to accept that. That’s the first step.