Winn always made my skin crawl!

  • ajcolson@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Maybe I’m alone on this, but I found a lot of the story lines with Neelix from Voyager to be hard to watch.

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      If they’d only stopped making him so damned childish.

      Ever seen Avenue5? Spike was what Neelix shoulda been and it’s hilarious.

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      I found most of Voyager to be too cringy to watch.

      It was just such a weird vibe, like they targeted it for kids who liked trek, and ultra-horny neckbeards at the exact same time.

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        The hormones didn’t come in until seven of nine in the way late seasons. And she’s no different than Troi, except more useful on the ship.

        Are you forgetting the leotard stretching scene…? Or almost anything Troi wore in the early seasons?

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          No, that was bad too.

          I mean, s1 and s2 was very cringy too, but they had episodes that were very well written by people other than Roddenberry, and we all tend to blank out trauma in our past.

          Voyager? This wasn’t the first trek show in decades, we weren’t dying for want of decent scifi, we had tng, ds9, b5, farscape was coming online, stargate too, and before Voy finished we had The Phantom Menace and the Matrix.

          The mid-late 90s were a golden age for media, our standards had increased dramatically particularly for writing.

          For TNG I’d say 50% of episodes are either forgettable or near-unwatchable, with a bias towards the early seasons, S3 and S4 are just gold though.

          Voyager, I have a few episodes I like (, but many more I can’t watch, the writing is just so uneven.

          Btw, I have a warm spot in my heart for Enterprise, I think it got a majorly unfair rap, but the first 2 seasons are similar in their unevenness, though Season 4 is again, just gold.

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            we had The Phantom Menace

            Hey, I thought we were talking about decent examples of sci fi

            TNG … 50%

            I’d put it more like 25%. That being said, I def consult episode guides when I’m rewatching and skip accordingly.

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              Hey, I thought we were talking about decent examples of sci fi

              Yeah, they kind of screwed the pooch when they brought that up. Sort of negates the rest of their argument.

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                Did you see it in theaters when it came out?

                I think we’re spoiled with all the cgi enabled scifi now, it didn’t hold as well as the ot (and the st is rancid garbage) but the prequels were epochal at the time, mass market, high budget scifi, alongside indepdence day they changed everything.

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                  I did. And the CG is not my problem with that movie. The plot and the characters and the dialogue are my problem with that movie. If a movie is good but the effects aren’t, I’m fine with it. I don’t generally watch movies just because they look cool.

                  • InverseParallax@lemmy.world
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                    Compare the writing of the PT with the writing of most generic scifi in the 90s, it’s not worse.

                    We didn’t have the well-written scifi till the 2000s really, in the middle we had stuff like the matrix sequels. We had some Phillip K. Dick in the 80s and 90s too.

                    You’re comparing everything to the OT, yeah that was an epic classic, but also unprecedented (literally invented the blockbuster scifi genre), and there wasn’t really anything close to their level afterwards, which is why TPM was such a huge event in 99.