The sound of many of them exploding
So, what Israel is admitting here, is that they could individually pinpoint and target Hamas but instead carpet bombed Palestine into genocide.
supply chain attacks are dirty tactics too, they have no idea who is holding 3000 pagers when detonation.
For smartphones they actually could, they could tie the lipo pack serial number to the imei and work everything out from there.
Then make sure it’s been unlocked via biometrics within a second or so.
It’s very rare that someone else holds a phone to be unlocked for you, though it does happen, still the closest to a targeted kill.
You would have to guarantee those phones would eventually end up in the right person’s hands.
Otherwise if you sabotage 100 phones and only 30 go to your targets, even if you only detonate those 30 there are now 70 phones out there randomly floating around with enough explosives to kill some random person.
Yeah, and this is assuming that even the ones with your target isn’t hidden in a box under his kid’s bed when it goes off.
They were using pagers and walkie talkies to evade the cellphone tracking that the Israelis were already doing.
They wouldn’t have taken the cell phones.
I use a code to unlock. Biometrics can be unlocked while unconscious or restrained. Fuck that.
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since English isn’t something you’re comfortable reading
I’m having a hard time figuring out what they said that merited this level of hostility. They weren’t even arguing with you!?
They’re just another incoherent zio cultist.
That’s great, dehumanize people so you can shirk your ethics and treat them as lesser.
Where have I seen this move before 🤔🤔🤔🤔
You act like such a Zionist, it’s hilarious to watch you speak yourself into a corner.
But this only works if you know the identity of every member of the organization, which is impossible, again making this a terror campaign and not a targeted attack. And you have to detonate them all at once or people will throw away the devices. You can’t wait for the 100,00 people who belong to the organization to have just unlocked their devices all at once.
Wtf? You’re killing everybody, you’re killing the most influential leaders you know about.
This was stupid, and will make Israel’s life harder but Bibi is too narcissistic to accept that.
This is also Mossad trying to wipe off O7 attacks by showering in blood, which is just stupid.
Nothing about this makes sense as an adult.
I’m not sire what you’re replying to. My comment was that using smart phones wouldn’t be effective in the way you mentioned. Relying on people 100,000 people that belong to Hezbollah to unlock their phones all at the same time to verify that’s who is holding the device. There is no possible way to make an attack like this targeted. It would always result in a large percentage of innocent casualties no matter what you do. The only use for it is a terrorist attack, which is what this was.
No, but you can mark which pager numbers are in combatant possession and which ones are with civvies.
They literally knew about the attack before it happened. Genocide was always the primary goal.
Israel is obviously behind the attacks but has not taken responsibility for them yet. So no, they’re not admitting anything.
This is the key thing here. People can whine about this attack, but this was targeted and it worked with low collateral damage, which also makes it legal (as in not a war crime).
The problem is everything else that Israel is doing since Oct 7, causing 1/3 of the Palestinian casualties to be children.
The very nature of a supply chain sabotage like this is indiscriminate.
It’s low collateral damage the same way a suicide bomber is. So, I guess, your IDF-brained take is suicide bombers are low casualty and precise.
It’s a low collateral attack when you see civilians as enemies and want literally all of them dead.
Customary international humanitarian lawprohibits the use of booby traps – objects that civilians are likely to be attracted to or are associated with normal civilian daily use – precisely to avoid putting civilians at grave risk and produce the devastating scenes that continue to unfold across Lebanon today. The use of an explosive device whose exact location could not be reliably known would be unlawfully indiscriminate, using a means of attack that could not be directed at a specific military target and as a result would strike military targets and civilians without distinction.
If this was the other way around, we’d have global outrage, days of mourning and piles of new weapons for Israel right now. We’d be speaking about one of the worst terrorist attacks in history.
Bingo.
This was a stupid decision by Israel. They have given the green light to mass attacks through consumer products. Can they really afford to protect all their imported products (electronics, food, water, etc) from every type of attack?
There is no intelligence behind genocide.
Five years ago, if you had asked me if Israel would be committing terrorist attacks across Palestine, Lebanon and beyond, I would have said absolutely not.
I would have been wrong, even back then, but jesus fucking christ, what an absolute shambles.
How my government supports this state-sponsored terrorism is beyond me.
Hezbollah are enemy combatants. These were ordered by and for Hezbollah. Israel isn’t targeting non-combatants.
They verified that all of the devices were in the possession of Hezbollah before they detonated them?
Is what why their pager terrorism killed a child and caused 2000+ injuries, including dismemberment of other children?
Now they just repeated it, I’m sure with the same disregard for living people they have already shown.
Israel isn’t targeting non-combatants
How many thousands of children have been slaughtered by Israeli troops?
If you want to be pedantic, and you’re talking only about this specific attack, children were killed in these pager/walkie-talkie blasts too. Are they enemy combatants to you?
Don’t be a genocide apologist.
Doesn’t really matter if they weren’t targeted if they still ended up dead.
So, like, are Israeli reservists fair game for terror attacks?
But if they are active duty and have military comms, it’s just called an “attack”, not a “terror attack”, even if the attackers are otherwise terrorists.
And your evidence that Israel only targetted active duty Hezbollah combattants?
You know you can just not type right? These thoughts that just stream into your head, they don’t need to be shared. You can also read sources and understand that “military comms” can’t accurately be targeted by this attack because of the very nature of radio. Nobody is logging into a badguy frequency and being targeted and identified. Thats not how any of this could possibly work.
You should take your own advice
Israel put bombs in pagers and radios and secretly sold them to Hezbollah. The only people who therefore would have had them were people Hezbollah gave them to to coordinate with. You can’t really get more targeted than that. There’s not some magic Jewish radio waves blowing up civilian radios lol.
Except that these pagers were distributed to more than just hezbollah. AUB (American university of Beirut) medical workers had them too, for example.
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So Israel planted explosives in known communication devices, that could easily be tracked or also had pinpoint tracking technology included with the explosive, then deliberately waited until the intended targets could cause collateral damage to unarmed civilians to set them off? And you argue this is different from terrorism in what way?
Israel put bombs in pagers and radios and secretly sold them to Hezbollah. The only people who therefore would have had them were people Hezbollah
According to you. The cowards responsible haven’t admitted anything.
But in reality they killed kids and many other innocent people as is usual for these genocidal terrorists.
Just anyone in an airplane or bus or subway with them
Hezbollah is a political party as well as a paramilitary group. What if Canada did this to The Oath Keepers or CSPOA or The Proud Boys or another group in the US? They’re all objectively bad people, buy only a few have committed terrorist attacks. Do they all and the people who happen to be around them deserve to die by a foreign government’s actions?
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Not the point. They’re a paramilitary terrorist organisation that has been denounced by Canada in the past.
But OK then Mexico or China, they preach the destruction of Mexico and China pretty often. And many of their terror attacks have been against people of Mexican and Asian descent. But again, not the point.
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Google it. These groups were attacking Asians (not even Chinese because they don’t know the difference) during COVID because Trump said they were responsible for it and/or made it up to allow the government to inject microchips and/or transgender inducing substances and all the other conspiracies. And these groups are highly anti-immigrant and are constantly attacking people they consider “Mexican” and supported calls by Trump and far-right pundits to bomb Mexico to reduce immigration and cartel crime. But again this is off subject as this is an example of what a similar attack on the a US extremist group by a foreign country would be like.
These are extremist paramilitary groups just like Hezbollah. But they still don’t deserve to have their families killed by bombs put in their products by foreign governments.
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Zios have been using terrorism for 75+ years with full imperial support.
The media condemned political violence against Trump in unison one month ago.
Israel commits one of the biggest terrorist attacks against a Lebanese political organization in history and the media claps.
My concern twofold
A: Without evidence I have a hard time seeing planting bombs in devices was solely targeted at fighters. Odds are an entire shipment was targeted and many people who weren’t Hezbollah received bombs
B: Blowing up devices that were by definition carried everywhere certainly killed families and associates who didn’t deserve to die.
During the Iraqi war we considered Iraqi leadership targets and I wouldn’t have been surprised if they considered our leadership targets as well. If they had in fact only killed Hezbollah I would have no problem with the attack.
In Iraq every Iraqi civilian was considered a valid target.
They were probably mostly in the hands of Hezbollah members, if not fighters. This is probably why they went off in hospitals as well. Lots of medics who volunteer who’s normal job is being a doctor in a Beirut hospital. Lots of logistics and people hiding weapons in the back of buildings for them.
They’re not full time militants if I understand correctly. Most of these people will have civilian lives and jobs to go to.
Certainly some innocent family members died. There’s no such thing as a completely surgical strike. It is better than what they’ve been doing in Gaza though, by several orders of magnitude. I don’t think anybody can defend what’s been going on there with a straight face.
Maybe so but commit a little genocide here and there and suddenly nobody wants to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Call it for what it is, a terrorist attack.
This is a super-villain plan becoming a reality.
Lotta Hezbollah flags in that crowd, was that some kind of funeral procession from yesterday’s pagers?
Yes, a funeral procession for 4 members.
Exponential funeral growth.
If your state was under attack by genocidal terrorists, wouldn’t you support the resistance?
So if I understand correctly, Israel managed to get a bunch of people in Hezbollah to use pagers and walkie talkies that contained bombs. But they have not been able to gather enough intelligence from control of those communication devices to find and rescue the remaining hostages? And if they weren’t able to catch useful information from those devices, why did the people holding those devices deserve to get blown up?
You are forgetting one simple fact. They don’t care about the hostages.
Oh, they definitely do, in their own way.
The hostages are in Gaza, not Lebanon. If Israel had this level of infiltration with Hamas, it is unlikely this would’ve started in the first place
If only the nazis had infiltrated the warsaw ghetto… \s \s \s
So if I understand correctly, Israel managed to get a bunch of people in Hezbollah to use pagers and walkie talkies that contained bombs.
Think about it like, there’s one person who was able to tell the perpetrators of this that a big order of communication devices is being made.
Perpetrators are clearly sophisticated so it’s fair to assume they can throw some skilled team at it.
This attack could be years in the making.
From a spy craft and capabilities standpoint it’s an amazing attack. I’m skeptical that using the devices as bombs is more useful than using them for spying, but who knows? It is super fucked up that random people who happen to be near the targets could be hurt. But between that and the stuxnet attack, it’s safe to say that Israel is capable of crazy sophisticated attacks.
Except they barely knew what they were doing with stuxnet too.
I heard 5 months, forgot where from.
This reminds me of when during sieges during the Middle Ages they used to lob the bodies of the dead back inside the castle. I’m not sure if it’s because of the lines they’ve crossed over and ignored regarding civilian casualties on this, or that this will essentially cause other parties to cross those same lines. This is giving ideas to China and Russia, and humanity has been far shittier in the past, I really don’t want to see how bad we will regress to.
If this carries on, we’ll have exploding semaphore flags by the end of the week.
I saw this on Reddit first while I was checking my city subreddit, damn the headline there definitely gives a different impression.
(The comments are all mostly jokes, didn’t even bother wading through them and came to see If Lemmy had a thread instead).
R/worldnews? It’s completely run by zionists. Anything critical or Israel or pro Palestinian gets instantly nuked
At this point, r/worldnews comments are so thoroughly astroturfed by so many global powers, their only use is to get an idea of what various propaganda machines think.
Shit, we use the same radios at work. Hope no-one blew up.
Someone tell them the Palm Pilots aren’t safe either
Might have to break out my Newton as a precautionary measure.
Whatever you do, don’t use the stylus! /s
Booby-trapped walkie-talkies and pagers.
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I am starting to love them
Be careful whom you worship.
Based
On second thought, you’ll be onto some new fad in a day.
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It’s not genius at all. Torturing and raping people to death, bombing refugee camps, murdering doctors, journalists, lawyers, spreading disease, stopping humanitarian aid, cutting off water, and putting explosives in communications devices isn’t genius. It’s evil, depraved, fascist behaviour that anyone could do with enough power and lack of humanity.
Do you look up to Nazis who put people in death camps genius too?
Meanwhile palestine is a literal fascist dictatorship run by billionaire kleptocrats
Imagine having this wacky hasbara word salad in your head and thinking it sounds like a rational argument.
imaging thinking palestine is not dictatorship run by fascist billionaires.
