No, that’s a lie. Iran and its “Axis of Resistance” reject the existence of Israel, so they refuse to use its name, instead calling it the “Zionist state” as a slur.
Do not lie to me, and do not make excuses for antisemitism.
You can look it up, it’s really not any different than calling the US “the capitalist state”. In the first few years Israel officially adopted Zionism. Trying to make it sound like a slur against them is part of decades of propaganda to make Israel look like the victim while it pursues a project of colonialism no different than the British Empire at its worst.
Iran and its pawns refuse to call Israel “Israel”, using “Zionist state” as a slur. It would be like the USSR saying America doesn’t exist and only calling it the “capitalist state”.
The Palestinian claim to the area is rooted in their own colonialism; learn some history.
They’ve been there for thousands of years. Nobody gives a shit what happened thousands of years ago.
And the “doesn’t exist” thing makes no sense. Why would you shoot at something that doesn’t exist? Of course they know Israel exists. They don’t recognize it’s legitimacy.
Finally, repeating something doesn’t make it any more true. In fact repeating things that aren’t true is a propaganda technique to stick it in people’s heads.
Yeah, and the Jews were there before that. Welcome to history, where the people owning a land can change.
Fact is, Israel was formed on top of land owned by the Ottoman Empire, not the Palestinians. Britain won it as spoils of war, just like the Palestinians did long ago. Then the Palestinians went to war and lost again. It’s just not their land anymore.
If war is a legitimate way to gain land, then Israel legitimately exists and it legitimately owns Palestine.
Again, nobody cares where the jews were when the Roman Empire existed. In that logic we need to roll back the entirety of the last several hundred years. That’s patently ridiculous.
It’s also ridiculous to say Britain won it so now Isreal gets to exist, when the Irgun drove the British out. It’s doubly ridiculous because all of the other colonial projects from the early 1900’s have been devolved to the indigenous people. And no, you’re not indigenous to an area after living abroad for 2000 years. What makes this slice of the Ottoman empire special?
@Maggoty @TruthSandwich is a well-known troll. It proved so obnoxious that no other Mastodon instance would put up with it. It had to start its own instance. The fact that it could do that implies financial (and probably political) backing. I’ve blocked that domain, so I can’t see what you’re responding to.
Yeah I picked that up a while ago, I like to draw their logic out so people can see how absurd it is. Although not the whole, own instance thing. Thank you though.
Just like nobody cares that the Palestinians controlled this territory before they lost it. All that matters is who has it now.
The UN decided to partition Mandatory Palestine, with part of it forming Israel and the other forming an independent Palestine. However, the Palestinians rejected this, went to war, and lost.
When you go to war and lose, it’s not your land anymore.
@Maggoty
No, that’s a lie. Iran and its “Axis of Resistance” reject the existence of Israel, so they refuse to use its name, instead calling it the “Zionist state” as a slur.
Do not lie to me, and do not make excuses for antisemitism.
You can look it up, it’s really not any different than calling the US “the capitalist state”. In the first few years Israel officially adopted Zionism. Trying to make it sound like a slur against them is part of decades of propaganda to make Israel look like the victim while it pursues a project of colonialism no different than the British Empire at its worst.
@Maggoty
This is a lie.
Iran and its pawns refuse to call Israel “Israel”, using “Zionist state” as a slur. It would be like the USSR saying America doesn’t exist and only calling it the “capitalist state”.
The Palestinian claim to the area is rooted in their own colonialism; learn some history.
They’ve been there for thousands of years. Nobody gives a shit what happened thousands of years ago.
And the “doesn’t exist” thing makes no sense. Why would you shoot at something that doesn’t exist? Of course they know Israel exists. They don’t recognize it’s legitimacy.
Finally, repeating something doesn’t make it any more true. In fact repeating things that aren’t true is a propaganda technique to stick it in people’s heads.
@Maggoty
Yeah, and the Jews were there before that. Welcome to history, where the people owning a land can change.
Fact is, Israel was formed on top of land owned by the Ottoman Empire, not the Palestinians. Britain won it as spoils of war, just like the Palestinians did long ago. Then the Palestinians went to war and lost again. It’s just not their land anymore.
If war is a legitimate way to gain land, then Israel legitimately exists and it legitimately owns Palestine.
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Again, nobody cares where the jews were when the Roman Empire existed. In that logic we need to roll back the entirety of the last several hundred years. That’s patently ridiculous.
It’s also ridiculous to say Britain won it so now Isreal gets to exist, when the Irgun drove the British out. It’s doubly ridiculous because all of the other colonial projects from the early 1900’s have been devolved to the indigenous people. And no, you’re not indigenous to an area after living abroad for 2000 years. What makes this slice of the Ottoman empire special?
@Maggoty
@TruthSandwich is a well-known troll. It proved so obnoxious that no other Mastodon instance would put up with it. It had to start its own instance. The fact that it could do that implies financial (and probably political) backing. I’ve blocked that domain, so I can’t see what you’re responding to.
#Palestine
#Israel
#genocide
#hasbara
#zionism
#CrimesAgainstHumanity
Yeah I picked that up a while ago, I like to draw their logic out so people can see how absurd it is. Although not the whole, own instance thing. Thank you though.
@DropBear @Maggoty
“Anyone who calls me out for my antisemitism is a troll.” - some Australian antisemite
@Maggoty
Just like nobody cares that the Palestinians controlled this territory before they lost it. All that matters is who has it now.
The UN decided to partition Mandatory Palestine, with part of it forming Israel and the other forming an independent Palestine. However, the Palestinians rejected this, went to war, and lost.
When you go to war and lose, it’s not your land anymore.
It’s also not the 1700s anymore. We don’t do the whole wars of conquering land anymore. Israel does not get a pass on that.
@Maggoty
Are you confused? WWII was in the 1900’s, not the 1700’s.
And, to remind you, the UN partitioned Mandatory Palestine. Israel accepted this, the Palestinians went to war and lost. Sucks to be them.
@Maggoty
Iran denies the legitimacy of Israel. They say it doesn’t have any right to exist and their goal is to make it cease to exist, through genocide.
That is why, once again, refusing to call Israel “Israel” and instead calling it the “Zionist state” is a slur and a genocidal threat.
Repeatedly ignoring irrefutable facts is bullshit. Stop bullshitting.
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Good thing your statements are refutable.
@Maggoty
BS. If they were, you would have been able to.
I would call the fact that it’s literally the name of their ideology a pretty good refutation to your idea that it’s some kind of slur.