There’re better words to use in any situation.

To make the point more clear. As much as people tend to use it in the way they do for words such as ‘like’.

I mean people will just say f you, instead of thinking of a witty insult or express an emotion with more expression.

For example, say you want to express that a person is fat, which one is a more cutting way to tell someone they’re fat:

  1. “You’re a fat-f**k.”

  2. “Don’t bother trying to stand up. I know you haven’t done that in years.”

One more thing, As much as there is a time and place you don’t curse, it’s not a matter of “appropriateness” to me; what matters more is the impact of what’s said. I hope my example showcases that.

One last thing, - cause I just starting to realise this matter more to people than I thought it would (nothing wrong with that of course) - cursing doesn’t necessarily subtract from a remark as if it’s a negative number in a math problem, it’s just redundant for speaking (more often than not).

Southsamurai©sh.itjust.works gives a good example of cursing is bland as apposed to just using your brain.

Someone saying “I’m tired of this fucking rain” is more boring than someone saying “I really wish thor would give us a warning before bukkakeing the world”.

I just realise this will work as a post in a unpopular opinion space if that exist, lol.

  • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org
    30·
    3 months ago

    Scientific studies have shown that curse words relieve physical pain better than any alternatives.

    So there are some situations where anything else is an objectively worse option.

    ETA: I’m willing to bet the reason this is being downvoted is due to the holier-than-thou attitude you’re copping, OP. It’s also something of a classist-coded cliché to claim that people who curse lack vocabulary, intelligence, education, or creativity. This is, of course counter to the fact that studies have shown that people with higher intelligence are more likely to use salty language.

    • Mr_No_Swearing@lemmy.zipOPEnglish
      3·
      3 months ago

      I guess don’t know how to break it to you that saying “f you” is not creative without being on a high horse then.

      Also, speaking of cope. To say that a person using curse words instead of a witty remark is somehow smart cause smart people use curse words doesn’t sound right but I don’t how else to interpret the ETA you made.

      • cassie 🐺English
        15·
        3 months ago

        Much of the time communication isn’t about being creative or coming off smart. It’s about effectively conveying meaning with the tools you have. Sometimes that means simple, crude language is more effective at conveying something than all the wit in the world.

        So when I’m in a situation that calls for its use, I don’t care that “fuck off” is a dime-a-dozen phrase that doesn’t make sense. It’s never misunderstood, it’s cathartic to say, and I don’t need to think on the spot to figure out something more eloquent - my mind is on, y’know, who or what needs to fuck off instead.

        • Mr_No_Swearing@lemmy.zipOPEnglish
          2·
          3 months ago

          Ok, I understand what you’re saying, saying “f you” is faster & easier.

          2 (now 3) points I want to make:

          1. I getting this sense that instead of speaking to someone, it’s to let off steam. As you put it, “it’s cathartic to say.” I find that telling of a weak character to need to blow off steam because of a conversation they’re having.

          2. Since cursing usally indicates aggression, I can’t help but think if you are short on time then making people feel aggression is not the smart thing to-do.

          3. Cursing is just as impercise as using wit. I don’t know how it helps other than maybe show rage in a spit-second responce, but people have said “f you” in different kinds of context for different kinds of affects. At that point intead of “f you”, you can say “leave if you going to say such trash.” You could be more direct than using some vague swear word.

          • cassie 🐺English
            7·
            3 months ago

            1. why is letting off steam indicative of a weak character? I think that when under stress, it’s actually indicative of someone being emotionally intelligent to recognize they need to let some stress out and find an avenue for it. I can’t explain exactly why, but swearing has always been a pretty effective way for me to let out some stress mid conversation while staying focused on a problem.

            2. some contexts call for aggression. i.e. If someone’s making me or someone I care about uncomfortable in public, it can be pretty useful to bare my teeth back. A simple “fuck off” doesn’t require me to engage with any of their bullshit at all, gets the point across, and carries it with a mild aggression that actually does make people fuck off much of the time.

            3. it is imprecise, but in many contexts it’s precise enough to convey displeasure and dismay enough to get the point across. In fact the power of “fuck you” is in how concise yet universally applicable and understandable in so many situations.

            • Mr_No_Swearing@lemmy.zipOPEnglish
              1·
              3 months ago

              For the first point, I fail to see how cursing dosen’t show your anger, if it’s going to be used to blow off steam. People have curse absent-mindedly when angry, I’d know, I’ve done it before. What good is this emotional intelligence if it’s going to give you the same results as if a person without it when in conversation?

              The thinking of cursing being the method to use (with the understanding that we’re thinking of affective methods - not just punch someone in the face) doesn’t sit right. I understand getting angry (we all been there), however, you’ll be surprise in the power of taking a couple seconds to think it through.

              When you think you have to say the thing that pops into your head right away, it ends up being ineffctive for commucation & won’t let others see the emotional intelligence that you’ve.

              I know this seems to be a meme, but meditation & being mindful of your surroundings has help me “let out steam.” I also work on improving myself, when you try to remove curse words, you can find where you feel you need to say it and thus work on methods to help with that. When I think of emotional intelligence, I think of understanding the emotions you’ve & not letting them control your actions (think stoiticism).

              For the second point, this only works when you can leave the situation and not have to worry about the consequences; it’s not going to work with cops, it’s also not going to work well for family (I’d know, having my christain grandma say f-you to me isn’t fun); I, in fact, find it hard to think of consequence-free moments for it.

              For the third point, I see that depending on context, it’ll work, then it should work for wit, no? I fail to find the difference between wit and swearing for communication outside of it being easier to curse. If the point is cursing is faster & easier, then you’ve a point, but I’m thinking you meant something else or something more. Even for expressing anger, I find the clam looking anger to be more emotionally intelligent than throwing out a curse word that even a child can do when having a meltdown.

              • cassie 🐺English
                1·
                3 months ago

                Ultimately, we’re discussing two different styles of communication that I don’t see as any better or worse than each other - everyone finds what works for them in their circumstances and environment and your style probably works great for yours!

                There’s a fair bit of hostility and harassment I encounter in public for various reasons, and I also have some inherent difficulty processing speech and verbalizing. As a result, I take a pretty blunt approach to communication - one in which I do not mind showing that I’m angry, because that is a necessary thing to be sometimes.

                I practice mindfulness a lot and do not generally feel required to say the first thing that comes to mind. But if a drunk asshole is following me home, I’m not looking to outwit em. I’m looking to stay focused on my safety while letting em know that I see em and I’m probably more trouble than they’re looking for.

                In serious conversation with people I care about, I do swear, but it’s because phrases like “I’m so fucking sorry that happened to you” come naturally to me and are effective. The emphasis that a little bit of swearing can add in moments like that is pretty useful.

                This all doesn’t have to be your thing, like I said this is all down to personal preference - but it would be a mistake to assume that people who swear aren’t communicating as meaningfully. It’s just another tool that we have at our disposal.

                • Mr_No_Swearing@lemmy.zipOPEnglish
                  1·
                  3 months ago

                  Sorry to hear about the speech problem; and I can relate to the hostility problem (It’s why I try to understand others rather than freak-out and get nasty, although I’m not perfect at it).

                  Unironically, the reason I don’t curse is because it helps me speak better and focus on the emotions (that I’ve) that aren’t so clear to me. Cursing - from my point of view - can get in the way of understanding and engagment of speech & emotions.

                  As for picking one or the other, let me try to put the shower thought in one sentence, since I seem to have lost the original point, somewhere in having these coversations:

                  Cursing is uncreative & tends to be use as filler words.

                  Maybe it’s too obvious to people that they assumed more than needed (the - “there’s always something better to say,” probably didn’t help, I’ll admit that.)

                  I genuinely thought it was intersting idea, since I’ve used them as filler words & I heard others do it too.

                  I noticing trends with the post, and - while responding - starting to see the can of worms I’ve opened up; I really thought this post would get something around 3 votes and 1 comment.

                  I understand and relate to most of speech ( and in art in general ) can boil down to personal preferences.

                  Speech to me can be a little bit more than that, but I’ll rest my case here.

      • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org
        10·
        3 months ago

        I guess don’t know how to break it to you that saying “f you” is not creative without being on a high horse then.

        I give you a decent counterargument with some bonus alliteration and all you can muster is a strawman?

        Also, speaking of cope. To say that a person using curse words instead of a witty remark is somehow smart cause smart people use curse words doesn’t sound right but I don’t how else to interpret the ETA you made.

        You’ve reversed cause and effect here. I didn’t say that all people who curse are smart. I said smart people curse.

        You’ve argued from a cliché and from a strawman misrepresentation of my original point. I hope someday you look back and cringe at your small-minded pretentiousness in this thread.

        • Mr_No_Swearing@lemmy.zipOPEnglish
          2·
          3 months ago

          For the 1st point, all I read is that smart people curse, & I’m on a high-horse for pointing out cursing isn’t that creative.

          You don’t seem to refute that cursing isn’t super creative, so I fail to see the counter argument here.

          And if you going to say that I’m condescending for what was stated, then guilty as charge, I guess.

          For the sencond point, read again what you wrote me. I see “smart people are more likely to use curse words.”

          That doesn’t state when nor to what degree do they curse.

          Also my point is that there’s better words to use then swear words, I fail to see how it’s suppose to matter that smart people use swear words.

          Again I ask, does it make the swear word more intellient because someone smart says it as oppose to a witty remark?

          The best speakers tend to not use them if we’re going to bring who says what in this.

          3rd point, clichés exist for a reason. I hope that after you let out the steam (probably by cursing), you can see how - even in your rage - you thought of insults instead of cursing. Would hate to think it would show you as lacking brain power than the smart people cursing away somewhere.