What really sucks is that this poor person’s cause will be scooped up and used by groups trying to sow division, and don’t actually give a flying fuck about the genocide. If you want to engage with accounts using him as a bludgeon, look through their history first. If it’s legit, fair enough. If it’s obviously a political account, point out what they are doing and block em.
This person went as far as they did for their belief. The least he deserves is not being used by fake bullshitters and bot nets. If you can’t agree with that, you’re disgusting.
What really sucks is that America is aiding a genocide and most people don’t care.
How evil must you be to act like the people who talk about it often are “bullshitters and bot nets” because we don’t ignore the state of the world like you seemingly can.
Uh huh. You don’t get to label what I do and don’t support. I’m absolutely against the genocide, but I’m also absolutely aware that there are online campaigns to sway things towards a Trump victory. To deny that well known reality means you are either staggeringly ignorant or complicit.
If you aren’t either, you’ll freely admit to the truth.
There have been so many genocides in the history of humanity, none in recent history are unique or the worst.
If you care about others, you’re exactly the person who shouldn’t kill yourself.
If you care about others, you’re exactly the person who shouldn’t kill yourself.
The carnage just isn’t as entertaining without being able to gloat at people who object to it.
Who’s gloating?
The people that don’t care.
Unbelievable that someone would be brave enough to do this. Respect… rest in peace.
No. I refuse to glorify suicide. Anyone thinking of setting themselves on fire needs help. This is awful.
The people who need help are the ones who can sit by and criticize people for their opposition to a genocide.
It’s not some silly game. Our lives are not more meaningful than Palestinians, this is awful, but it pales in comparison to what we are putting Palestine through.
For some people, not taking any action they can to try and stop the genocide, no matter how hopeless, is worse than death. When the pain becomes unbearable…
This man is a martyr and a hero, and he didn’t kill himself, the US and Israel killed him in the name of their genocide.
This man is a martyr and a hero
He’s a man who, in a less dysfunctional society, might have gotten the mental-health treatment he needed. He’s neither a martyr nor a hero.
and he didn’t kill himself
Oh yes, he fucking did. And Netanyahu cares as little now as before this poor suffering fool offed himself. The grand gesture accomplished nothing.
And yet here we are talking about it. Like the whole goal might have been?
He set himself on fire to raise suicide awareness? I thought it was about the Palestinians… Pretty sure everyone was already aware of that situation. In any case, it’s incredibly sad and I don’t support it.
To each their own
People are “brave” enough to put a shotgun in their mouth and pull the trigger too. That’s not worthy of respect, it’s the symptom of a disease. And we’ll all rest the same way, since the afterlife is a bronze-age fairy tale.
Idk its their life to do what they want with it.
This new TikTok trend is dark af
Goddamn you for making me chuckle
Bring back the ice buckets :(
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It’s mindless and morally reprehensible to valorize someone’s suicide, regardless of the excuse they might have given.
Has the US government acknowledged even one of these?
If Biden doesn’t ignore it entirely, he’ll call it an accident or whatever Netanyahu-senpai tells him to say.
Q — outside an Israeli — or outside the Israel Embassy. Was the President aware of his death? Did he have any sort of response to it?
MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Yes, the President is aware. And we can — I can say that it is — obviously, is a — it’s a horrible tragedy, and our thoughts are with the family of the servicemember at — during this — I could — we can’t even imagine this hor- — horrible, difficult time.
Just thoughts and prayers. No acknowledgement of his reasons why, no policy change, just more weapons sent for Israel’s genocide
For reasons that should be obvious an individual protest, no matter how extreme, will never be a factor in foreign policy decisions.
Yeah. The only real factor is “what does Netanyahu-senpai want?”
The true factor is that Israel is a solid foothold for the US in the Middle East long term.
Israel is also currently acting as a testing ground for weapons and feeding the military industrial complex information and funds.
Don’t absolve Biden and the US of our level of culpability by reducing us to followers led astray by Netanyahu (not saying it’s your intention to do this, but a side effect), this genocide is entirely supported by the US, we aren’t just riding along.
The true factor is that Israel is a solid foothold for the US in the Middle East long term.
Well, that’s the excuse.
Don’t absolve Biden and the US of our level of culpability by reducing us to followers led astray by Netanyahu
Led astray? No. Enthusiastically complicit.
If your elected leaders are using your tax dollars to send guns and tanks and bombs to Israel then THEY are responsible for the resulting carnage, not YOU. And your time would be better spent electing better leaders instead of setting yourself on fire.
If your elected leaders are using your tax dollars to send guns and tanks and bombs to Israel then THEY are responsible for the resulting carnage, not YOU. And your time would be better spent electing better leaders instead of setting yourself on fire.
Yeah, but it kinda breaks down at the “electing better leaders” part, since we don’t have an anti-genocide candidate in either major party.
Do you think there is only one election in November?
Do you think Democrats are ever going to move any direction other than right?
In down-ballot races? Absolutely.
But that’s not even the same conversation.
In down-ballot races? Absolutely.
But that’s not even the same conversation.
Well, let’s have that conversation. The party uses incumbency as an excuse to lock out progressive candidates like Jessica Cisneros. They pulled out all the stops to make sure Coathanger Cuellar won his primary. But when the incumbent is a progressive like Jamaal Bowman or Cori Bush, incumbency does not convey with it party protection. The party’s move to the right is deliberate in down-ballot races as well.
Very few policies are determined by party platforms at election times. There were no pro-civil-rights-movement candidates from the major parties back in the 1960s either. Events drove them, and those events didn’t just randomly happen. There were decades of organizing, recruiting, training, planning, and hard debate that went into them, and people laid their lives on the line in furtherance of actual goals, not empty gestures.
Similarly, neither major party opposed the Vietnam war, or either of the Iraq wars, or the invasion of Afghanistan, or gay rights. That’s all just an excuse for inaction. Public opinion can be changed, even if it sometimes happens too late. But if you’re not willing to get out in the streets, nothing will happen at all.
Then “electing better leaders” was the same canard it was in all those cases. Just a platitude to delay.
Electoral politics ends with the presidency. It doesn’t start there. Bernie worked for progressive causes for decades before running in 2016. He worked his way up from mayor to Congress to Senate. His near miss in the primary in 2020 pulled Biden to the left on several issues.
If you want to end support for Israel, and I agree we should end support for Israel, even if they stop the war tomorrow. Then you should be writing letters, going to county Democratic meetings and finding candidates to run for state legislature that share your beliefs.
If you want to end support for Israel, and I agree we should end support for Israel, even if they stop the war tomorrow. Then you should be writing letters, going to county Democratic meetings and finding candidates to run for state legislature that share your beliefs.
We just had two demonstrations of how that ends. Their names were Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman. AIPAC openly bought candidates to replace them. I don’t have enough lifetimes to stop that, and neither do you.
And your time would be better spent electing better leaders instead of setting yourself on fire.
So I take it this totally isn’t just your excuse/rationalization for attacking someone actually willing to take action against genocide and you will be following through on your idea?
So which candidate will you elect who opposes the genocide?..
Anyone who tacitly supports the genocide and doesn’t do everything in their power to bring an end to and oppose the genocide is culpable.
There is no form of protest against ongoing genocide which can be deemed “too extreme” because any form of protest will pale in comparison to the genocide.
this totally isn’t just your excuse/rationalization for attacking someone actually willing to take action against genocide
Not speaking for them, but someone committing ineffectual self-destruction isn’t something worthy of emulation.
Anyone who tacitly supports the genocide and doesn’t do everything in their power to bring an end to and oppose the genocide is culpable.
Nothing like a little binary thinking to capture the nuance of a situation.
Here’s a thought exercise: if everyone here in the US who cared even an iota about stopping the genocide were to self-immolate, what difference would it make besides leaving a trail of bereaved people and a small contribution to making climate change even worse? Do you honestly believe that, even if hundreds of thousands or millions of Americans set themselves on fire, the ethno-chauvinist goons in the Likud would give a shit, or American public opinion would be swayed even slightly from its lethargic apathy? Only organizing, engaging in the political process and continuing to publicize the situation, along with BDS, will make any difference. The rest is displacement activity that, at most, will make you feel good about your own righteousness, but which benefits nobody.
Be Careful Americans! If Israel causes you to Kill Yourself that’s a Kill for them and we ALWAYS Punish Israel’s Murdering of Americans with MORE BOMBS!
RIP and we are as a collective weather we like it or not. I didn’t forget about a climate scientist doing the same thing.
Neat agitprop, Ozma!
Seems like one would fly over and join the fight vs setting oneself on fire.
He would then be reported on as a terrorist, kinda undermining the whole optics.
So instead of possibly doing something to directly help Palestinians that might be misunderstood after his death, he sets himself on fire? Because optics? No way anyone could ever misunderstand that 🙄
It accomplishes nothing at all. Makes no sense to do it over actual direct action if you plan to die anyway.
His goal was to die. Any benefit to the Palestinians was secondary, or more likely, an ad-hoc excuse.
Do you think we’d be reading an article about this guy flying overseas?
The goal is to draw attention to something.
I’m not trying to be a dick, just pragmatic. This is the only story I could find on this matter, and I’m guessing very few people are aware that this even happened. I’m just saying I’d think long and hard for an angle that would lead to maximum results if I was ready to die…
Self immolation is a long standing form of protest.
What have you been doing to bring an end to this genocide, besides criticizing others who made the ultimate sacrifice of martyrdom?
Well, any act that actually accomplished something would be more effective than a futile gesture.
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