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    have air conditioning

    have air conditioning

    I read the whole article because I had a sneaking suspicion this was probably the biggest (and most important to drivers) upgrade. Although I will be fair and say the ability to walk through the vehicle to get packages instead of having to circle around to the back is pretty fucking sweet as well.

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      basically how i see it with delivery trucks, you need a few things.

      heated/air vented seats for driver comfort along with AC.

      easy access to the back of the truck

      as well as room to stand in the truck, because the driver is going to have to constantly get in and out of the driver seat, so being able to get out easier/faster is good.

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        Yes, I’m 6ft and have to hunch over in the back of the LLV, or squat down while re-sorting packages. The inner compartment door is one of the best things about the LLV since the heaters suck and it helps keep the heat in the cabin, plus the ease of access.

        I haven’t gotten to use one of these new trucks because I’m in a smaller office which will likely be one of the last to get them but they did try and get us the newer Metris vans which are horrible. No inner compartment door so you have to constantly get out and no adjustability to the mail tray.

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    EVs for service vehicles that do a lot of local starts and stops is a no-brainer. Should have been done a long time ago. It’s no wonder that they’re getting good reception, after years of working with worn out equipment. I regularly see tow trucks with a Grumman.

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      There’s a bunch of electric garbage trucks in my city. My kid is obsessed with any heavy machinery these days so we were watching one and I got to talking to the driver. He told me that he absolutely loves them. They are easy to operate, they accelerate fast, they seem to break down less.
      I have seen them accelerate, they go hard. And it’s just so fucking cool to have a big dump truck be silent?! I cannot get over how happy it makes me that they’re just chilling silently when they’re stopped. Makes my mornings more peaceful.

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        I’m surprised (and very happy) that the driver loves it. Getting truckers on board with electric semis is a huge challenge, so if other heavy truck drivers like their electrics that will hopefully help win them over.

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          Most of the drivers of these are also waste collectors. He told me he appreciates that it’s less hassle to operate. No gear shifting, no noise, good acceleration, they feel more nimble.
          I suppose range and accessible of charging ports in particular would be a concern for a long haul drivers but that’s not an issue if you have a relatively (range wise) tour through the city, and get back to and central hub every day.

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          I’m not too surprised. It must be quite unpleasant working around a noisy piece of machinery like that.

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          American truckers especially love their FREEDOM to a stupid degree. I do get the lifestyle of being a road cowboy never knowing where your next haul is going to.

          But they’re also a dying breed, new drivers want to get home now and then and not live in a truck for months without seeing their family.

          There was a good documentary about this a while ago, can’t remember where.

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        And it’s just so fucking cool to have a big dump truck be silent?! I cannot get over how happy it makes me that they’re just chilling silently when they’re stopped. Makes my mornings more peaceful.

        This in itself is worth the change, reducing noise in residential areas (and others) would be a huge improvement in quality of life for both people and wildlife.

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      The last Grumman LLV rolled off the assembly line 30 years ago, and has been probably been driven six days a week, except federal holidays, ever since. I’m not surprised they’re on their last legs.

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        Yes, credit where it’s due for them lasting. Those are like the COBOL running banks and government stuff, never intended to last forever, yet still being used because it’s easier and cheaper (well, probably not in the long run).

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    My dogs know the sound of Mailman Mike’s truck when it’s a couple blocks away. They go outside to get a treat from him every day when he drives by. I’m guessing they won’t do this once he switches to a quiet EV.

    Electric motors gave a quiet high pitched whine that will be extremely easy for dogs to hear and will the mailman is coming once they catch on.

    So glad to see the upgrade actually has quality of life features for the drivers beyond not needing to breathe in exhaust fumes all day!

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    Hey American modern pick up truck heads. Notice how normal the bonnet is? Notice how you can SEE enough to not run people over? This is a true utility vehicle. Look how massive this bad boy is without being a death machine 👍

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      but it doesn’t have enough sharp edges i feel like. what if i want to slice a kid in half?

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      I have a mini cargo van as my everyday car that can move quite a bit of cargo, but I also bottom out if I go on a road that’s too bumpy.

      The family truck has the clearance to go off the pavement.

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        A video which puts all the arguments better than I ever could: https://youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo

        But the notion you can only have high clearance by making your hood so massive to the point you can’t see your child as you run them over in your own driveway, doesn’t make sense.

        I’d strongly encourage you to give the video a go.

        These trucks are now infesting my streets to (Australia) to a lesser degree. It’s an arms race that really needs to be stopped. I hope you consider some of the points made in the video.

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    “The BEV variant has an estimated range of 70 mi (110 km) and a computed consumption of 1.34 kW⋅h/mi (25.2 mpg‑e). Although using the air conditioner was not expected to affect the range, using the heater was expected to reduce range by up to half. Based on the typical distance driven, it was assumed that only 20% of the battery state of charge would be used each day for most NGDVs; analysis of USPS mail carrier routes demonstrated the all-electric variant’s range could accommodate 95% of all routes.”

    have to go elsewhere for vehicle specs
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshkosh_NGDV?wprov=sfla1

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      I’m actually shocked at the inefficiency of the electric powertrain tbh. An F-150 Lightning gets twice the distance per wh, a Model Y is quadruple. I’m not entirely sure if it’s just simply the size, but the lightning has a comparable gvwr. Just seems weird to me

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        I wonder how they calculated the range. If it’s representative of the real world drive cycle these will experience, the estimate might not be too far off. A postal route is constant low speed stop and go. Regen is much more effective at higher speeds, so they’re probably dumping most of their kenetic energy to hear via friction brakes. Suspect their drive cycle is going to be something like an endless cycle of 25 kw acceleration, rest, 25 kw acceleration, rest, etc.

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          I bet it’s this exactly. Cars get more efficient metrics on highway vs city start and stop. If the vehicle ONLY starts and stops it must be terrible, even if these have regen brakes.

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        So, I was curious and did some digging on the old LLV. Apparently it has a 13.5 gallon tank, and the vehicle is rated at 17mpg, but in actual use it gets more like 8-10mpg. So taking the worst case of 8, that’s about 100 mile range, so the NGDV isn’t really all that much worse. I’m guessing that’s going to cover the majority of routes, with the few outliers being covered by the gas powered versions.

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        I mean how many miles a day are most routes? Why order bigger specs if you don’t need them? I can’t imagine most carriers go more than 20 mi a day. I am curious though, I’m sure someone’s crunched the numbers on it.

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      It’s not as fast as I’d like either, but it’s a lot better than the original USPS plan to replace them with diesel trucks.

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    The first batch is possibly arriving in one city. (Pics or it didn’t happen, of course. AP delivers!) Well, that’s nice… at least they actually exist?! (That’s a bit of a low bar.) But congrats to the first drivers of these little ducks.

    I’m worried it’s going to take another decade or three for the trucks to actually arrive in the numbers needed. Hopefully the USPS can survive our deplorable politics until then. They are invaluable for small businesses and keeping all mail couriers competitive.

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      Because they have Air Conditioning.

      The thing they should have had for the last 40 years. With record breaking heat year after year it should be hazard pay without ac

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      Instantaneous torque, I’m sure offers dramatic improvement over the previous ICE trucks.

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      Not only do [the old trucks] only get 9 miles per gallon, they’re also noisy, smelly (I have to close my window every day when the mail truck comes around), have no air conditioning, hard to stand up in, and their only safety feature is mirrors that constantly fall out of alignment. AP also points out that nearly 100 LLVs caught fire last year – a common event when it comes to internal combustion vehicles.

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      • Big batteries need cooling during charging.
      • A/C units need to do heat exchange.
      • Aesthetics
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          That’s cool as fuck

          Remember most people look at cars in the US and think “how the fuck can you drive such a ghastly monstrosity?”, and US manufacturers sell different models overseas that aren’t so pretentious and overblown

          I’d take that yellow beastie over a childishly-designed Jeep any day

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      It is designed to be gas or electric. The few with gas engines will need the ventilation. Also it does have A/C. That is also why it has an engine bay despite being electric.

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    They look pretty cool, too! I hope our mail carrier gets one soon. They’ve given her a van for now since I guess the old Grumman one she was using finally conked out.

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    Thank god because I live in AZ and felt bad they had no AC. I even had one break down on the street as the engine overheated the driver didn’t know what to do. But it sucks the driver was worried about making deliveries on time. I told the driver not to drive that car cause it’s not safe

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    The one thing I wish they did with these things is make the roof out of solar panels.

    These things are going to spend most days sitting outside in direct sunlight. They have nice big flat roofs which makes them pretty perfect to throw on solar panels. You likely would not need much charge infrastructure for the new vehicles and you’d have cut the ownership cost down even more significantly (especially in states with high electrical rates).

    Regardless, these things are a no-brainer even without solar on all the vehicles. These are low speed vehicles with dedicated routes and loads of stop/go action. There’s not a more clear place to use an EV.

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      Solan panels on vehicles sounds like a great idea but the physics makes it a stupid gimmick.

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        You also have to clean them constantly in this application, I imagine.

        I guess they could make some kind of windshield wiper for the solar panels.

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        How so? Is it that they aren’t efficient enough to be worth the materials it’s made from?

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          Power to weight ratio favors permanent fixed installations. A car roof is far too small to make a useful amount of energy.

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            Power to weight doesn’t matter as we are talking about using a solar panel instead of a roof. There’s no added weight. The car will already have inbuilt inverters so the only real weight add is the wiring. But also, this is a postal vehicle which will have large swings in weight anyways. A couple of extra pounds doesn’t make a difference here.

            Further, this isn’t a car, which has a much smaller surface area. These things have about 10 square meters of flat roof. That’s a peak output of ~3kW. (realistically, probably closer to 1.5kW average throughout a day) which translates into 12kWh of charge in any given day. Roughly 10% of the battery capacity could be restored daily.

            For large vehicles, like delivery vehicles and busses, the math on making the roof out solar panels instead of steel changes.

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              A roof only needs to be a thin piece of sheet metal, weighing somewhere in the neighborhood of 1-2lbs per square foot

              Most solar panels are going to weigh somewhere in the neighborhood of 2-4lbs per square foot. So is likely the panel would weigh 2-4 times as much as just a plain metal roof, plus possibly a metal roof under it and/or additional framing to attach the panels to, so power to weight does absolutely come into play.

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                That comes in at an additional 400lbs on a vehicle that weighs 6,670 lbs if you assume the maximal weight of the panels and the need for a metal roof anyways. That extra 6% weight just doesn’t matter. 6% losses range for 12% free charging seems like a worthy tradeoff to me. (and again, this is the maximal value).

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                  That extra 6% weight just doesn’t matter.

                  LOL weight is incredibly important. Automakers would kill puppies for a 6% weight reduction.

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                  6% weight increase doesn’t necessarily mean a 6% efficiency loss, it’s not a simple linear relationship like that. Depending on the power of the motor and a few other factors that 6% weight increase could mean a huge hit to efficiency.

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          It’s cheaper to put a light roof on a car, buy the same area of solar cells, set them up to charge a battery, and charge the car off that battery, than it is to buy a custom, toughened, solar cell the area of the roof.

          Plus, you don’t have to haul around the extra weight at the worst location for weight in a vehicle.