It’s almost doublethink, people celebrating how the Fediverse is an open protocol for sharing public discussion and then going surprised-Pikachu at the notion that public discussion might be viewed by someone the don’t want to view it.
If you don’t mean for something to be public, don’t post it on a public forum.
That’s why I think the final iteration of the fediverse will be a mostly defederated bunch of echochamber bubbles. People don’t actually want diverse opinions. They want a diverse group of people to share their opinion so that they can feel theirs is the dominant, right one. Give it 5 years and the fediverse will be just as much walled off and divided as the rest of the internet is now.
People like to complain about the evil’s of humanity and yet always seem to act like it’s forced upon us by some outside force. Like the 1% are a different species and not just glowing examples of our worst traits cranked up to max. Like someone else is making humanity act this way. But nah, it’s just us and our nature. And until we understand and address that properly, none of our problems are going anywhere.
The point of the Fediverse is decentralization. The services don’t have to talk to each other at all, but they all use the same open ActivityPub standard, so they can by virtue of what that standard is capable of providing.
If they wall themselves off, that’s not an inherently bad thing. One gigantic public forum was never the goal. One where anyone has the opportunity (but not right) to participate is the goal.
And if you don’t like how an instance is doing things, you aren’t “just stuck with it,” like you would be with a centralized service. By way of example, my instance doesn’t have downvotes, and I would be unhappy with one that has that capability turned on, like lemmy.world. If Reddthat decided to defederate and do Local Only, I would leave and go to another instance, but Lemmy would still be there.
I remember when the FediPact people were saying various fediverse instances needed to defederate from Threads because Meta was going to use it to scrape comments…
My brother in Christ, you’re spewing your comments in a million directions with the ActivityPub protocol. They don’t even have to scrape, and defederating them won’t do shit.
Don’t get me started on this shit. The privacy people are well.
Oh I’m sure the person running this instance from his basement is going to handle my gdpr request better than Meta 🙄 definitely can’t pull down a hash table from the db with zero accountability
Yes it was. What crack are you on? From day 2, the second that shit was made public to college students it was HAMMERED into everyone’s head that shit would be public. The boomers on Fox News knew this shit was public.
You all realize this same shit is happening here right?
It’s a public forum 🤦♂️
It’s almost doublethink, people celebrating how the Fediverse is an open protocol for sharing public discussion and then going surprised-Pikachu at the notion that public discussion might be viewed by someone the don’t want to view it.
If you don’t mean for something to be public, don’t post it on a public forum.
That’s why I think the final iteration of the fediverse will be a mostly defederated bunch of echochamber bubbles. People don’t actually want diverse opinions. They want a diverse group of people to share their opinion so that they can feel theirs is the dominant, right one. Give it 5 years and the fediverse will be just as much walled off and divided as the rest of the internet is now.
People like to complain about the evil’s of humanity and yet always seem to act like it’s forced upon us by some outside force. Like the 1% are a different species and not just glowing examples of our worst traits cranked up to max. Like someone else is making humanity act this way. But nah, it’s just us and our nature. And until we understand and address that properly, none of our problems are going anywhere.
The point of the Fediverse is decentralization. The services don’t have to talk to each other at all, but they all use the same open ActivityPub standard, so they can by virtue of what that standard is capable of providing.
The point is they won’t. In figuring will continue over every fucking little thing THE VEGANS ARE CRAZY SO BAN THEM
If they wall themselves off, that’s not an inherently bad thing. One gigantic public forum was never the goal. One where anyone has the opportunity (but not right) to participate is the goal.
And if you don’t like how an instance is doing things, you aren’t “just stuck with it,” like you would be with a centralized service. By way of example, my instance doesn’t have downvotes, and I would be unhappy with one that has that capability turned on, like lemmy.world. If Reddthat decided to defederate and do Local Only, I would leave and go to another instance, but Lemmy would still be there.
Already is. Forums with extra steps unfortunately.
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No shit Sherlock!
People who know how to use a forum aren’t the ones who need to know a public forum is public.
What kind of gotchas did you think you were making?
Lololol I didn’t think everyone here had thought through this lololol. You are wildly optimistic.
Everyone screaming left and right about employeer and school admissions scanning the site.
I remember when the FediPact people were saying various fediverse instances needed to defederate from Threads because Meta was going to use it to scrape comments…
My brother in Christ, you’re spewing your comments in a million directions with the ActivityPub protocol. They don’t even have to scrape, and defederating them won’t do shit.
Don’t get me started on this shit. The privacy people are well.
Oh I’m sure the person running this instance from his basement is going to handle my gdpr request better than Meta 🙄 definitely can’t pull down a hash table from the db with zero accountability
And since this is the world we live in, most people proceed with that understanding.
This was not the case in 2007.
Yes it was. What crack are you on? From day 2, the second that shit was made public to college students it was HAMMERED into everyone’s head that shit would be public. The boomers on Fox News knew this shit was public.
They could at least be a bro and make this data easily searchable for me then. I hate always revisiting Reddit when looking for info on obscure shit.