It’s just abuse. You deliver something for the production and the story, and then you end up being molested that way,” Jensen said.
Abuse? Molested? This is a load of shit. If they don’t want to be seen nude then don’t be filmed nude.
Yeah sorry this isn’t molestation, this is how media works in a digital connected world. The fact the entertainment industry has been denying the realities of their industry for 50 some odd years causes some head-scratching takes, like an actress being “molested” by someone jerking off to her in a scene they didnt pay for. No, sorry lady, once you expose the flesh to the camera you relinquish the right to keep it to yourself.
These stupid goddamn articles always trot out some actress or stagehand to humanize the ‘victims’ too, when its really just rich production companies losing money. Fuck everything about this.
Regretting doing a nude scene is humanizing. Making your regret someone else’s problem is just shitty all around.
Given the country in question, the actress’ nationality, and the writers name, this may be a simple translation misalignment. Molest doesn’t have the same weight in every language/region. Molest is more akin to “bother” in Spanish, for example.
I’m pretty sure she means molested as in abused or misused.
On a side note, as to the molesting aspect, I can’t see how this is any different than 14yo me having a couple of VHS tapes where the boob-parts were more worn than the rest of the tape. Or going frame by frame on the Taxi 2 DVD in the scene where Petra does kung fu in a skirt. Or golden child where the mythical woman behind the curtain is revealed. Or the shower/locker room scene in robocop. Or the bath scene in coming to America. Or the playboy mansion in Beverly Hills cop 2… Anyway I digress.
If you appear naked in a movie, expect teenage boys and creepy men to jerk off to you. Not the perfect world would be, I know. In the perfect world everyone would respect that the actress was only nude as an artistic choice, and it wasn’t meant to be spank bank material.
Copyright on the other hand, I thought that was just a civil law matter. Wonder why the guy was arrested.
Edit: Oh shit, good thing that I don’t sail the seven seas, and definitely never has. 2 years ago a Danish guy got 30 days probation for doing less than some of my friends did in high school and university.
I’ve got another addition to my comment, but it does warrant more attention than an edit.
So I’ve found a Danish language interview on this topic, from earlier this year, so before the man in this story was arrested.
Generationsforskelle til trods lægger 57-årige Andrea Vagn Jensen og 23-årige Malaika Berenth Mosendane vægt på, at samtykket ryger, når klippene bliver taget ud af kontekst. Det samme fortæller Angela Bundalovic, der for nylig var aktuel i ‘Copenhagen Cowboy’, til DR:
»Jeg oplever det som en krænkelse, at nogen bruger et klip eller billede af mig i en kontekst, jeg ikke er gået med til. For mig hersker der ingen tvivl om at der bliver begået noget forkert mod skuespillernes frihed og materialets ophavsretshavere«.
Translated by yours truly:
Generational differences aside 57yo Andrea Vagn Jensen and 23yo Malaika Berenth Mosendane emphasizes that the consent is lost when the clips are removed from their context. It’s the same for Angela Bundalovic, who recently appeared in ‘Copenhagen Cowboy’, who tells DR [Danish national radio and TV]:
»I experience it as a violation, when someone uses a clip or still frame in a context, that I haven’t agreed to. In my mind there’s no doubt, that the freedom of the actors is being wronged as well as the copyright holders of the material«.
The police even has a statement on the matter which I suggest that you run through your preferred translation service https://politi.dk/national-enhed-for-saerlig-kriminalitet/nyhedsliste/39-aarig-anholdt-for-at-dele-noegenscener-fra-film/2024/09/03
This isn’t Spanish (I speak it), it’s also the same word in Danish according to the dictionary.
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Yeah, an arrest for something that would be generally understood to be fair use is a lot.
I can see the case for “that’s not fair use”. I’m not necessarily convinced either way. But an arrest?
Looks like this is happening in Denmark, which has different laws than the US’s “fair use.”
I get that, but the general understanding of fair use is relatively homogeneous. I’m not saying they shouldn’t be able to take it down, just that an arrest for it when most people’s first guess would be that it’s legal seems harsh.
Not at all. The US conserves something of the enlightenment tradition of freely sharing information; vital for the advancement of science, technology, and culture. Free speech and free press means that you can say and print what you like (press at the time literally meant the printing press, not the media). Limitations in the form of copyrights or patents are only allowed where it helps those goals.
Continental European copyright preserves a monarchical, aristocratic tradition. It’s rooted in ideas of personal privilege and honor. For example, it’s illegal to deface an artwork even when you own it because it’s an attack on the honor of the artist. The term “royalties” comes from the fact that it was a privilege granted by royalty.
It’s revealing that Europe has basically the same patent system as the US. You can’t do without technology, even if you are an authoritarian ruler. What would your armies do? But copyright is just about culture, usually. You don’t want that to be a needless source of instability. You want a clique of cronies to be in charge of that. That’s what you see in Europe.
Has Denmark ever arrested anyone before for copyright infringement? In most other places this is a civil, not a criminal thing.
That’s not true at all, there are criminal penalties on the books for this sort of thing in pretty much all western countries
Has Denmark…
Show’s FBI warning.
You know that the FBI is not a Denmark thing right?
In most other places…
I am very shocked for the whole thing,This is a very bad precedent.
The man literally did something that the website itself allows by default (by allowing the subreddit) the one at fault here is Reddit, not the man himself. They are the ones who should deal with the consequences.
Ehhhhh… that’s a pretty shit take. Any site that allows uploads of files “allows” uploads of CSAM? See how that breaks down immediately?
A porn company could make the same, out-of-context argument just to slap an extra charge onto the arrest. That 2 minutes of badly acted exposition was a critical reason why she’s taking cocks in 3 holes. It’s really a lovely scene you turned into pure filth!
I think the judge would know it when they see it and laugh them out of the court room.
Just FYI, this wasn’t clips of porn. This was actual movies with nude scenes.
Still not entirely sure how I feel about it, but I do agree it’s not the same thing.
Assuming he did not upload the whole movie or demanded money for those scenes, I don’t see how that’s a good case for the copyright holder. Movie snippets are used all the time, everywhere, including YouTube, without this being much of an issue. The most glaring one there would be the auto detection, which again, is more to prevent actual piracy being shared.
Edit: Also, why is he getting arrested instead of getting a letter?!
Part of the (US) definition of fair use is the impact of the use on the original party. Killing their viewership with a review is still fair use because it’s balanced with the public’s right to a review, but I think there’s a legitimate argument that turning their movie into nothing but a sex object, especially systematically like that, does harm that’s not protected.
Why do you not know how to feel about it?
To me it’s just clip collection, you could have a collection of all death scenes or car cashes. They’re all just clips from videos people agreed to make for public consumption.
Because in basically any other scenario it’s obvious sexual harassment, and behavior like that is a big part of the reason a lot of actresses aren’t comfortable doing a role where they’re nude to begin with.
It’s not porn stars who signed up for that content being made into a highlight. It’s an actress who agreed to do a specific scene as part of a movie being treated like they’re doing porn.
Just FYI, this wasn’t clips of porn. This was actual movies with nude scenes.
Why does that matter? To a horny enough 14 year old there is no difference.
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So, is r/celebnsfw closing? Because it’s exactly what it is. Guy was probably the only human in a sea of bots posting there.
Its cause hes from Denmark and made their own version of r/watchitfortheplot. Apparently illegal in Denmark. But like its already online, just takes a quick search to find the scenes in question.
Rights Alliance also called on Reddit to take the matter seriously. While many of the problematic clips were already removed at that point, the group urged Reddit to implement upload filters to prevent future trouble.
Nothing sinister here, folks. Just defending helpless women against those evil techbros.
Nothing sinister here, folks. Just defending helpless women against those evil techbros.
These are paid actresses. Nothing helpless about it. Clips of film and TV are uploaded all the time. How is this any different?
I was just being sarcastic. The article is explicit that there is a copyright organization behind this.
Lame
I am confused, are you talking about the man or Reddit or the news or what?
Yes.
Can you please leave the whole “responding when you’re not the person who was asked” bit behind, thanks
No
Yes
That seems insane, is there some special reason they got arrested that was left out of something?
Money. You aren’t paying for the video that the scene is from, you’re just watching the scene.
It’s almost always about money… Absolutely absurd
