• corroded@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Several weeks ago, I saw a guy riding a motorcycle with the American flag flying from the back of his bike and the confederate flag sewn on the back of his jacket. I do not live anywhere near a southern state.

    I can’t fathom the amount of mental gymnastics it takes to proudly fly the flags of two opposing parties in a major war and still somehow believe it represents your views.

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      I kinda feel like the American flag itself has taken on connotations that align with the confederate flag.

      When I see the American flag in current times, I think of roll coal 'murka fuck yeah sentiments.

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        Cyclist here! American flags protect you from getting run off the road. I’m serious. My hypothesis is that Jimbos hate woke cyclists unless they stand with 'Murica.

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        2 months ago

        Yeah, sadly, any time I see an American flag that isn’t on a pole I know without asking what kind of people are displaying it.

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        I think of it like any expression of non-oppressed identity.

        It’s perfectly fine to be proud of a non-oppressed identity, as long as it’s not something ridiculous or harmful. But the people who feel the need to shout it from the rooftops are often the worst possible representatives of that identity.

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      2 months ago

      What’s wilder is seeing the Confederate flag well outside the USA. I was just in the eastern part of Germany for a wedding, near-ish to Leipzig, and at the venue one of the employees had a Confederate flag plastered on the back of his van.

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPM
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        What absolute fucking lunacy. Especially since German states of the period were generally pro-Union, unlike Britain and France.

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          Britain was especially hypocritical for supporting the Confederacy, given how much they actually did do to outlaw international slavery and how much they spent on interdicting it. But they needed that sweet cotton for their factories and they wanted their money back: an interesting fact is that most southern plantation owners were perpetually deeply in debt, to London bankers.

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    Same with ‘blonde, blue-eyed Aryans’ in Nazi idiology. Aryan weren’t those nordic god-like heroes they’d like. They were Indo-Iranian. So more likely black/brown haired, brown-eyed people.

    Tells a big story about those ‘proud people’ back then and now and their brainless idiology.

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      If America is going to own “those wars”; as fucking hilarious as that is, it should also own the genocide it committed against the natives and it should also own the slavery and disenfranchisement of black Americans that lasted centuries.

      Dumb fucking Americans.

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        it should also own the genocide it committed against the natives

        Absolutely, which is why it’s taught in schools nowadays.

        and it should also own the slavery and disenfranchisement of black Americans that lasted centuries.

        … what do you think the US Civil War was over, again?

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          Are you implying slavery and disenfranchisement ended with the civil war?

          The last tenet farmer was allowed to leave in the 1960s.

          We still have more prisoners than any other country, mostly due to laws heuristically targeting black and poor people. Those prisoners can’t vote, but for representation purposes, their population counts towards the local town/district (which includes those prisoner’s guards). Weirdly similar to the way political representation for enslaved persons worked, minus the 3/5ths part.

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        As a European I’m fascinated to know where you’re from that has done more to face upto and move away from its past?

        America has a complex history but one which it very much faces, it has current problems but ones which it struggles to overcome and right. It is not perfect or pure but nothing ever had been nor ever will be, it’s certainly doing more to grow into a moral and just place than anywhere else I know well.

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        We do. Why do people keep writing this shit? It’s been taught in schools for decades and we discuss it endlessly.

        Its like people see our media blast a person for trying to censor/deny it and instead of seeing the well reported criticism as the typical American stance, they decide everyone MUST be siding with the villian of the story.

        Actual idiot take. Go back to school.

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          I agree with all your points, but would also liketo point out that SOME states coughfloridacoughtexascough are trying to NOT teach those things anymore. THOSE states would like a classroom experience in public schools where very little learning is done.

          But don’t worry, they’ll totally ignore the seperation of church and state, so they can lead the school day with a manditory class prayer.

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    I just don’t understand what makes Nazi idiology attractive to so many people. If I had to guess, I’d say for their “foot soldiers” it might be the strange “logic” of this obtuse ideology that allows people to say: “I’m better than you in every way” - without giving any reasons whatsoever and therefore even if the people in question have nothing at all to show for themselfs. In case of their leaders, the only ones that actually profit, I do kinda understand: It’s plain and simple unscrupulous lust for power and influence. In both cases: uncivilized and disgusting.

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      They like to fantasize about killing people they don’t like, and while normal people react to this with horror, other Nazis applaud and encourage them.

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      In case of their leaders, the only ones that actually profit, I do kinda understand: It’s plain and simple unscrupulous lust for power and influence.

      The leaders and vanguard of fascism are typically small capitalists; they’ve been privileged by society, but at the same time they’re victim of the whim of the markets. Such people will never believe the problem is capitalism, since that system rewarded them so much, so they’ll grasp at other solutions, such as jews for not doing capitalism correctly, or some vague moral degeneration, or communist saboteurs, or some combination thereof.

      Look at the makeup of jan 6ers. There’s trade shows with fewer car dealership owners.

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      Whereto though? The rest of us don’t want your scum either, we have enough of our own, that think going back to the political climate of 1933 would be swell.