• BaumGeist@lemmy.ml
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    Fun Fact: Communism is actually an attainable goal within our lifetimes, but people would actually have to be open to confronting their biases against it (including hate for all its supporters)

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      Actually disagree, at least not higher-stage Communism. Higher stage communism requires pretty much all living generations on Earth to have never known Capitalism, and be so used to living within Socialism that the statist apparatus makes itself redundant and whithers away. This becomes self-perpetuating and stable.

      Lower stage communism? Absolutely.

      It isn’t simply a matter of “confronting internal biases,” just like you would not place a random modern worker into feudalism and expect them to be capable of tending the fields, producing for subsistence plus surplus to their local feudal lord, and producing all manner of household goods such as clothing, fences, and food, so too can you not thrust the modern proletariat into a higher stage of production without working through the transitional status of Socialism.

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      If there are communists who think communism can be attained in our lifetimes, I don’t know them. We’re not going to sell people a fantasy, some overnight utopia. Some places are now socialist, and more may become so in our lifetimes. But, as socialist states themselves will tell you, communism has not yet been attained anywhere.

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      Communism is not attainable in our lifetimes as it will require decades upon decades of economic and social development. But we can take the first steps by seizing control of the state from capital and oppressing the actions of capitalists themselves. In other words, by creating socialist (or proto-socialist) states.

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    As a commi, I can’t stand this kind of people… Like, is important and (sometimes even fun) to talk about this, but there is a lot more to life…

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          The first frame is implying that they never really talked before someone pointed out that ‘they’re so quiet’.

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              Your comment seemed to suggest that you ‘can’t stand the kind of people’ who regularly never chime in with their opinion but when confronted about their silence open up a lot more; which seemed a bit odd to me so I just assumed you meant communists who are constantly vocal about their politics. But the first frame of the comic establishes that this person had never been vocal about anything much at all prior.

              Which is why I asked if you had missed or misread the first frame. Otherwise it’s just kind of weird to hate on the quiet folks.

              Unless I’m misreading this comic.

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                Right, I get you now.

                My comment was directed to people who are constanly talking about the same topic and do no speak about anything else and I specially have some extra annoyace for people doing that with politics. Even if I confront you with “You’re so quiet” and then you let it out, it will still be annoyed, no matter if I asked first or not. Like, me inviting you to open is very different than me signing up for a unending hangout-tracendent only-about-communism discussion…

                The comic is missing the frames with the other guy trying to change the topic and the other person perpetually stearing the conversation back to the same topic, which more often than not, I will entail some diaregard for the other party(s) in the convo.

                A: Man, I broke my leg B: aw shit, that must suck, right? because you can’t do the things you like I mean braking your leg in this shitty system, I wish we could have a system…

                A: Yo, look, I bought this really cool thing that I have been wanted for years! B: Cool! what does it do? ah… It was probably made by some slave in a sweatshop, you know? If we were in communinsm those would probably be made by some happy people instead!

                (Dumb examples, I know, but Im no writer.)

                I do admit, that me starting my comment with “As a commie” do makes my comment kinda obtuse and nonsense…

                I stand by it tho. This kind of person is just very annoying to me, independent of the topic. Im quite vocal about my political views, but there’s too much in my life to only talk about the one belive I have.

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      I agree, telling people they are quiet is silly. The first guy also should’ve been talking about communism from the beginning.