4chan was hating on Reddit before it was cool
Reddit is cool?
Ah, the ol’ lemmy switcheroo!
I think they meant that hating on reddit is cool.
Yeah, this makes more sense
Maybe they meant before Reddit became cool, which happened before it became much less cool.
Yeah but what good has ever come from 4chan?
Always seemed like a place for people to be subversive and provide a haven for hate and degeneracy.
updoots encourages circlejerk
I mean, making a post about hating on Reddit, on Lemmy, is pretty circlejerky too at this point.
true.
anyway, fuck spez.
I mean, making a post about hating on Reddit, on Lemmy, is pretty circlejerky too at this point.
There’s a key difference, at least when it comes to hating Reddit.
Most [all?] users here have actual, informed reasons to hate Reddit, from past experiences with the site. They aren’t simply joining some bandwagon due to social expectations to bend to the crowd.
Whenever I stumble on reddit I make sure to post disinformation or some kind of dumb shit to throw a wrench into the LLM training data they sell to google.
Make sure to have some LLM generate the comment for you, as LLMs learning synthetic data may fuck them up over time: AI models fed AI-generated data quickly spew nonsense
I hate to ruin this for you, but if you post nonsense, it will get downvoted by humans and excluded from any data set (or included as examples of what to avoid). If it’s not nonsensical enough to be downvoted, it still won’t do well vote wise, and will not realistically poison any data. And if it’s upvoted… it just might be good data. That is why Reddit’s data is valuable to Google. It basically has a built in system for identifying ‘bad’ data.
this is an ancient and noble practice known as shitposting, no need to call it something else :)
“ruins the Internet”? This coming from 4chan? That’s rich
4chan is kinda the sump of the Internet. All the crud sinks there.
Shit usually floats.
4chan, in part, ruined real life. So much of the initial meme buzz around Trump came directly from 4chan - god emperor, etc. /b/ and /pol/ had large coordinated campaigns to boost Trump for lulz and to fuck with people. These made the news occasionally and were sometimes quite wide-reaching. Edit: not to forget Qanon, pizzagate, etc.
Additionally, 4chan is responsible for a massive swathe of meme culture more broadly. Most people don’t dredge its depths or even know “the hacker named 4chan” exists, but it has been a massively influential force.
There have been dark corners of the internet for several decades now. 4chan is just one. Trump didn’t achieve popularity because of it. There aren’t enough users, and there certainly aren’t enough politically and economically influential users, for that to be true.
QAnon started on 4chan lol
imo redditors and 4channers think too highly of themselves if they believe they have real influence on elections. Most people aren’t online (except for Facebook), and politics are much more readily explained by material causes such as the Dems fcking up the post 2008 economic recovery and going for austerity instead of investment. The biggest proximate cause (non-material/economic) is just that hilldawg ran a bad campaign that didn’t focus enough on swing states (but she won the popular vote, congratulations).
4chan doesn’t nearly have the kind of traffic to ever have ruined the internet.
It used to. Used to be the #1 most visited website worldwide for many years.
I miss moot. Back when 4channers didn’t take themselves seriously.
Right now, mainstream internet needs 4chan to deflect their own issues onto even though they all have the exact same people using it.
Reddit doesn’t even like Reddit.
It’s like a teenager.
So many on Reddit bitch and moan about reddit. Just delete your account and use alternatives if you hate it so much.
I was one of those. Before Lemmy, nothing was truly an alternative for Reddit. There were alternative Twitter-like sites up the ass and Facebook; but nothing similar to Reddit’s layout/presentation.
Thats… why I’m here.
Forgot
- APIcalypse
- sold user content to AI
- let’s only Google index.
• A website built by unpaid users and mods that Reddit wants to profit off of.
I miss the IMDB discussions under each film…
Was great to finish a film and have a question or and ideas and be able to talk about it.
It’s not exactly a replacement, but TV tropes provides a lot of satisfaction on this front.
We have discussion posts from time to time on !movies@lemm.ee
Restricting search results to reddit is still a nice way to filter out corporate junk and just get honest end user opinion on things. As much as I hate the management of the platform now, you have to remember that Reddit didn’t always used to be shit. Aaron Swartz was a co-founder.
Aaron Swartz was a co-founder.
Swartz has been six feet under for longer than some Lemmyites have been alive.
It is rapidly becoming an unviable way to find info these days. I have to specifically ignore anything from the past couple years.
at this point I get like 75% fuck spez/etc post edits instead
Except companies have learned the meta, and now a bunch of search queries for Reddit are filled with ads on Reddit. (not to mention you have to use google to get their results now.)
Eh, I still get Reddit results through DDG. They may not be fresh, but they seem to still be in the index, and honestly, that’s fine because I only really care about the older content.
You still have to filter through bots posing as real people replies on some posts high in google results
I use it less and less. I only really visit two sub reddit, and one of them has been really declining as it has grown.
To be fair reddit is still better than some instances of lemmy
If you use Inoreader, you can just skip going to it for the most part.
Please elaborate
I’ve made an active effort to bookmark any active forums I come across. Even Lemmy doesn’t quite fill the niche that actual forums provide, though it is still useful.
Lemmy still has a lot of problems reddit does, just smaller and weirder. It’s probably not possible to create a “perfect” social media platform, but there still seems like room for a new type of social network that’s federated but isn’t a clone of something else.
What’s your favorite forum?
Civfanatics. I actually joined up long before I ever signed up for Reddit. It’s probably the one site besides Youtube that I’ve consistently used since middle school.
It’s about the Civilization games?
Yes.
I still use reddit for looking up information even after deleting my account. Yesterday i decided i wanted to compile the zen kernel for fedora. And reddit had the best guide for doing so. And what settings were worth a damn.
“Ruins the internet”
I happen to remember the forum culture of the mid-late 2000s. It wasn’t that great.
I do recall that people were extraordinarily toxic online. Reddit for a few years was a breath of fresh air but then got too big.
It was better though. Wouldn’t call it good. But definitely better.
Gotta disagree with that. I remember the rampant elitism and tribalism, the shock-culture, isolation of communities, casual bigotry that would make modern 4chan blush, arbitrary forum rules irregularly enforced, etc etc etc.
For all the modern internet’s problems, its communities are much more connected, it’s much more accessible and less elitist, that shock-culture died out, the casual bigotry became contentious instead of accepted, and corporate running the show on most of these sites means that appeals and reversals are much easier than when you would rub some mod the wrong way and get permabanned from a forum you were a long-time member of. Never happened to me, but I saw it numerous times.
Yes, but if you didn’t like one forum you just move on to the next. Today there are very few active forums left.
Wish I could experience it
It had unique pieces, and a lot that I genuinely miss. But… there was also a LOT of bullshit that wouldn’t pass muster nowadays.
Nobody likes reddit. Nobody. Everyone is just stuck with it and spez’s dumbass moneygrubbing bullshit.
I wonder how long that’ll last now that’s it a public company (or will be? I actually haven’t kept up on it too much)
It’s gonna die like Digg or Fark … Which are still around, but shells of their former selves. TBH most normal folks haven’t even heard of Reddit, let alone Lemmy or Mastodon.
I disagree with you on how well known Reddit is, it’s been mentioned in enough news stories over the years that most people have heard of it, even if they’ve never been there.
Yeah, the name was picking up steam. If they hadn’t fucked it up that name would be been gold in 1 or 2 years.
It’s a catchy name.
Since about 2018, I’ve gotten the sense that most internet users know about Reddit, but are embarrassed to admit they know about Reddit.
AI means Reddit will always look alive at a glance.
Like you still get some people complaining that lemmy isn’t active enough for them to leave Reddit, even though they’re just hanging out with bots all day.
bans controversial subreddits
They are ruining valuable conversation by banning GasTheKikes and Jailbait. My free speech!!! /s
