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    • void_star@lemmy.world
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      17 days ago

      Python has its quirks, but it’s much much cleaner than js or c++, not fair to drag it down with them imo

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        17 days ago

        I think the thing with C++ is they have tried to maintain backward compatibility from Day 1. You can take a C++ program from the 80s (or heck, even a straight up C program), and there’s a good chance it will compile as-is, which is rather astonishing considering modern C++ feels like a different language.

        But I think this is what leads to a lot of the complexity as it stands? By contrast, I started Python in the Python 2 era, and when they switched to 3, I was like “Wow, did they just break hello world?” It’s a different philosophy and has its trade-offs. By reinventing itself, it can get rid of the legacy cruft that never worked well or required hacky workarounds, but old code will not simply run under the new interpreter. You have to hope your migration tools are up to the task.

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        17 days ago

        The terse indexing and index manipulation gets a bit Perl-ish and write-only to me. But other than that I agree.

    • ⸻ Ban DHMO 🇦🇺 ⸻@aussie.zoneOP
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      17 days ago

      Yeah JavaScript is a bit weird, semicolons being optional and compulsory at the same time: I remember trying to build an electron example ~5yrs ago and it didn’t work unless I put in the semicolons which the developers omitted.

      Python is just glorified shell scripting. Libraries like numpy are cool but I don’t like the indentation crap, I’m getting used to it because University likes it.

        • ⸻ Ban DHMO 🇦🇺 ⸻@aussie.zoneOP
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          16 days ago

          Yes but it’s difficult in a long program to tell which scope you are in or where one ends. I don’t know what is so unfriendly about { and }, my editor can highlight pairs of them, it’s just nicer to work with.

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        16 days ago

        Python is just glorified shell scripting

        Absolutely not, python is an actual programming language with sane error handling and arbitrarily nestable data structures.

        I don’t like the indentation crap

        Don’t be so superficial. When learning something, go with the flow and try to work with the design choices, not against them.

        Python simply writes a bit differently: you do e.g. more function definitions and list comprehensions.

        • ⸻ Ban DHMO 🇦🇺 ⸻@aussie.zoneOP
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          16 days ago

          Yeah I meant for that to be a bit inflammatory. I actually don’t mind python apart from the execution speed, but the indentation I find makes it more difficult to read stuff that is extremely nested. I use it mostly for creating plots and basic stuff for my science degree but for any serious project I wouldn’t consider it