Fox News did not air a second of the speeches from alienated GOP leaders and former Trump officials who endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris at this week’s Democratic National Convention.

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    It’s OK! Republicans are KNOWN for doing their Own Research and will SURELY find these Clips on their Own!

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      The sad part is this is how people in the DNC must actually think to give these assholes speaking time at their convention when the only commendable thing they ever did was admit to making a mistake most Americans were smart enough to not make in the first place

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        This is not a great take. This isn’t about reaching out to MAGA voters, it’s about reaching out to independents. Fox exposure would not have been great anyway.

        Go off on sticking to your principles and ridiculing anyone that took longer than you to see the light (you are so smart you probably always had the political views you have), but I am keen to win this election and preserve democracy, which means a big tent with no minimal gatekeeping.

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      No but don’t you understand kiddo? Genocides perpetrated by republicans are unconscionable, but genocides perpetrated by democrats are just savvy politicking.

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          I’ll never understand why you MAGA propagandists want the guy who bombed the shit out of Yemen to help Israel “finish the job” before turning against Ukraine and then domestically. But I think genocide is bad, so that’s the difference, I suppose.

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              Only one of two candidates will win. So, unlike you MAGAs, I’m voting for the outcome that won’t include Donald “finishing the job.”

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                You are the reason the Democrats are doing genocide. If they knew they’d lose voters because of their stance on Israel they would be forced to change their platform. They believe they can commit unlimited genocide because their voters are loyal dogs who will beg for more.

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                  It’s actually people voting third party that forces Dems to chase people who will actually vote for them. 1/3 of the country doesn’t vote at all. If everyone voted so that the Repub platform was nonviable, the parties would have to move left to compete.

                  Why do you hate Ukrainians so much that you want them to be genocided? Why do you hate women so much that you want them to be unwilling incubators?

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              Please tell me who to vote for that has a snowball’s chance in hell of winning that is against genocide?

              I usually vote third party. I fucking love Jill Stein. But keeping Trump out of office is far too important. Trump wants to hand Bibi all of Palestine. Harris can and will be pushed to ending weapons sales. Pressure will get to where she has no choice. Trump doesn’t respond to anything other than what his crazy brain wants at the time.

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    Maybe i’m in the minority here, but inviting republicans from the bush years to speak at the DNC isn’t actually that reassuring to me if I care about stopping genocide, or think that the US foreign policy as a whole is bad and wrong.

    Hell I’d go so far as to say if you invite a ghoul like Mike Pence to speak at your convention, you obviously don’t give a shit about LBG issues at all, and are only using them as a shied so that no one can criticize your absolute inaction over the past 50 years on all social issues.

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      The point being made with their appearance is that Trump is so toxic and repulsive that defectors are actively coming out of the woodwork to endorse Harris. It’s meant to appeal to independents and Republicans who see modern Trump and are increasingly off-put by him.

      Now, they are all aggressively repulsive pieces of shit, sure. But I think we all agree that Trump is an even more aggressive piece of shit in comparison.

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          The real world is nuanced and complicated sometimes. The enemy of my enemy is my friend works here.

          We at least need to be welcoming and accepting of defectors until we’ve beaten trump and reinforced our democracy so a threat like trump can’t happen again.

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          Refusing to participate in anything and just letting bad things happen means you don’t actually hold any values.

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              “sitting around doing nothing does not make you morally superior”

              “So you support genocide”

              Well you sure sound like a rational person with reasonable arguments worth listening to…

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                Who said anything about doing nothing? There is a large amount you can do beside supporting genocide “because the world is complex”, and doing nothing. One of those things is not voting for the parties that support genocide as a bare minimum.

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            Refusing to participate in anything

            What are you saying? That First Past The Post voting disenfranchises a huge portion of the electorate by artificially limiting the number of viable political parties?

            The “totally supports democracy” democrats are probably all over correcting this issue in the states they control right?

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              Yup, FPTP is garbage, and the US is a dumpster fire third world country with a Gucci handbag.

              And yet, doing nothing can result in things getting even worse, so someone shouldn’t pretend to have some sort of moral superiority over doing nothing from stopping napalm being thrown on the fire because “it’s already burning anyway.”

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        Appealing to right wing voters by adopting their policies never works.

        These ex-Republicans are not reaching other Republicans at the DNC. They are speaking to Democrats and selling them on their policies.

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      Not the correct attitude. This is an all-hands on deck fight against the fourth reich. Even people who suck for the reasons you correctly list are willing to point out that trump sucks. I don’t care if they were republican traitors yesterday if they figured their shit out and are getting the water out of the boat alongside us now.

      If the boat gets repaired and stable again, then we can afford to only have less dangerous allies.

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        This is an all-hands on deck fight against the fourth reich

        Agreed, which is why you must oppose genocide.

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          I agree with you that the Gaza genocide needs to be addressed immediately and with decisive action, and its deeply disheartening that it might not come unil November, but I do believe it is coming. This kind of human suffering cant be so easily ignored, I find it hard to believe that a Harris presidency would stand idle.

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        This is an all-hands on deck fight against the fourth reich

        Sounds serious! So when will the democratic party drop gun control considering this imminent threat?

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    As you can see, if conservatives were not chained to the Republican party by First Past the Post voting, they could at least have a chance to elect a more moderate conservative party.

    like the democrats with a new name.

    Give your fellow citizens the freedom to vote outside the two party system by supporting an electoral reform movement in your state.

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      A reminder that between now and November 6, everyone saying “Don’t Vote for Kamala”, is actually saying “Vote for Trump”. Especially when they’re saying it in the comments for an article about fascists being fascist.

      There are only two candidates that we can vote for with a chance of winning this year. There are no serious third party candidates to campaign for. While I wish this wasn’t the case, not “voting for the lesser evil” either means voting for the greater evil, or not voting at all.

      If you actually want to avoid full-blown Fascism in America, stop fucking carrying water for Trump every chance you get.

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        A reminder that between now and November 6, everyone saying “Don’t Vote for Kamala”, is actually saying “Vote for Trump”.

        Can you explain in detail why there are only two viable political parties?

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          Troll bait taken…

          Because that’s the way it’s been since 1852. It was the same way before 1852 but at least one of the parties had a different name. The system would need a structural change (like ranked choice voting) to enable a viable 3rd party to exist.

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        Yup, that makes perfect sense when you put it like that. This is precisely how Germany avoided fascism in 1930s, they just voted for the lesser evil and everything worked out great.

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            It’s funny how you expose yourself as being historically illiterate. German nazis never won more than 37% of the vote while there were still democratic elections in place. First chapter here discusses the rise of fascists in Italy and nazis in Germany. Let’s take a look at what actually happened.

            After World War I, Italy had settled into a pattern of parliamen­tary democracy. The low pay scales were improving, and the trains were already running on time. But the capitalist economy was in a postwar recession. Investments stagnated, heavy industry operated far below capacity, and corporate profits and agribusiness exports were declining.

            To maintain profit levels, the large landowners and industrialists would have to slash wages and raise prices. The state in turn would have to provide them with massive subsidies and tax exemptions. To finance this corporate welfarism, the populace would have to be taxed more heavily, and social services and welfare expenditures would have to be drastically cut - measures that might sound familiar to us today. But the government was not completely free to pursue this course. By 1921 , many Italian workers and peasants were unionized and had their own political organizations. With demonstrations, strikes, boy­cotts, factory takeovers, and the forceable occupation of farmlands, they had won the right to organize, along with concessions in wages and work conditions.

            To impose a full measure of austerity upon workers and peasants, the ruling economic interests would have to abolish the democratic rights that helped the masses defend their modest living standards. The solution was to smash their unions, political organizations, and civil liberties. Industrialists and big landowners wanted someone at the helm who could break the power of organized workers and farm laborers and impose a stern order on the masses. For this task Benito Mussolini, armed with his gangs of Blackshirts, seemed the likely candidate.

            In 1922, the Federazione Industriale, composed of the leaders of industry, along with representatives from the banking and agribusi­ness associations, met with Mussolini to plan the “March on Rome,” contributing 20 million lire to the undertaking. With the additional backing of Italy’s top military officers and police chiefs, the fascist “revolution”- really a coup d’etat - took place.

            In Germany, a similar pattern of complicity between fascists and capitalists emerged. German workers and farm laborers had won the right to unionize, the eight-hour day, and unemployment insurance. But to revive profit levels, heavy industry and big finance wanted wage cuts for their workers and massive state subsidies and tax cuts for themselves.

            During the 1920s, the Nazi Sturmabteilung or SA, the brown­ shirted storm troopers, subsidized by business, were used mostly as an antilabor paramilitary force whose function was to terrorize workers and farm laborers. By 1930, most of the tycoons had con­cluded that the Weimar Republic no longer served their needs and was too accommodating to the working class. They greatly increased their subsidies to Hitler, propelling the Nazi party onto the national stage. Business tycoons supplied the Nazis with gener­ous funds for fleets of motor cars and loudspeakers to saturate the cities and villages of Germany, along with funds for Nazi party organizations, youth groups, and paramilitary forces. In the July 1932 campaign, Hitler had sufficient funds to fly to fifty cities in the last two weeks alone.

            In that same campaign the Nazis received 37.3 percent of the vote, the highest they ever won in a democratic national election. They never had a majority of the people on their side. To the extent that they had any kind of reliable base, it generally was among the more affluent members of society. In addition, elements of the petty bour­geoisie and many lumpenproletariats served as strong-arm party thugs, organized into the SA storm troopers. But the great majority of the organized working class supported the Communists or Social Democrats to the very end.

            In the December 1932 election, three candidates ran for president: the conservative incumbent Field Marshal von Hindenburg, the Nazi candidate Adolph Hitler, and the Communist party candidate Ernst Thaelmann. In his campaign, Thaelmann argued that a vote for Hindenburg amounted to a vote for Hitler and that Hitler would lead Germany into war. The bourgeois press, including the Social Democrats, denounced this view as “Moscow inspired.” Hindenburg was re-elected while the Nazis dropped approximately two million votes in the Reichstag election as compared to their peak of over 13.7 million.

            True to form, the Social Democrat leaders refused the Communist party’s proposal to form an eleventh-hour coalition against Nazism. As in many other countries past and present, so in Germany, the Social Democrats would sooner ally themselves with the reactionary Right than make common cause with the Reds. Meanwhile a number of right-wing parties coalesced behind the Nazis and in January 1933, just weeks after the election, Hindenburg invited Hitler to become chancellor.

            French liberals siding with NR against the NPF is a perfect modern example of history repeating as well.

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          So what you’re saying is that you know embarrassingly little about what happened in the March 1933 German federal election…

          Spoiler: Hitler won because the fascists slaughtered their political enemies and seized power undemocratically.

          If you think that you can avoid something like this by “not voting for the lesser evil”, I don’t know what to tell you. Until I have reason to believe that the election will be overthrown, I’ll be cautiously looking for warning signs (there are some already), and I will vote for the party that isn’t openly and proudly spewing Fascism.

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      Another in a long line of utterly futile ideas. But we understand that you’re doing the absolute best you can.

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    Of course fox didn’t cover them, fox is too busy glazin that weird, geriatric fucking idiot.