Firefox works great.
download firefox
look inside
80% of mozilla revenue is from google
You can’t escape
Even if the Mozilla foundation went bankrupt tomorrow, Firefox would persist. It might not be as quick to update, but it’s an open source project that people will keep working on, regardless of the money.
I’ve always been curious how many lines of code in Chromium and Firefox are from salaried software engineers, and how many are from community contributions
git shortlog -ns
Who cares where the revenue comes from? There’s no google spyware in there, and it’s competition, that’s what really matters.
I just don’t like that we’re relying on the goodwill (or need for token “competition” to try to avoid antitrust) of Google for Mozilla to stick around, an ad company shouldn’t be de facto controlling almost every single browser
Download Firefox
Change default search engine
Problem solved 😁
Changing your search engine doesn’t stop Google from controlling 80% of Mozilla’s revenue or almost the entirety of the rest of the browser space
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I’m afraid to say that there are no such thing as “gratis” software. I guess as firefox user we have to pay a significant amount of money, but I guess that’s a dream in open source software community, and the most obvious consecuense is that they are going to find a sponsor
You can’t escape
You can change the default search provider, so you actually can escape.
Nah
There are two browsers, chrome and FF.
Three if you count Webkit/Safari
I don’t think I can install it on my android phone, so I don’t count it
Though the engine is still being actively worked on to provide android support https://blogs.igalia.com/jani/bringing-webkit-back-to-android/
IIRC the Steam browser also uses WebKit tho
Me doing my online banking using the Steam browser in Big Picture mode
Are you live streaming by chance?
Yeah just join my Steam broadcast
Not since 2014, where they switched to blink (chromium)
Who said you can only have Android phones?
Pfft. I’m going back to the og Netscape Navigator 😎
Isn’t that just what Firefox was before it was Firefox?
Me too, but I’m just waiting for this jpeg to finish loading
picks up the phone
DE-DURRRR-DE-DEDA-EEEEEEEEKK
It feels very weird to say but
I think maybe
the world was better when Trident existed??
SILENCE THIS HERETIC!
What?
Safari
> downloads desktop app
> looks inside
> it’s a webpage with a dedicated browser
(Web 2.0 and it’s consequences…)
Why I dislike web apps. They make the devs lazy enough to not bother making a native app
Why even make a desktop app at this point? I get doing that if it has some inherent advantage over the web version, but why go through the trouble of making another program if it’s just gonna be the same but in electron?
Think of all that lovely data and tracking you can slurp up when unconstrained by the browser sandbox.
A few advantages.
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You can make app specific notifications.
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You can stop worrying about security since you just lock the electron version
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The user thinks it is an actual app and that this is better.
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Example with Discord (a website and an electron app): You have to download the desktop app to have stuff like: game activity (show others what game you are playing), global hotkeys for stuff like muting microphone, local Krisp noise cancellation
I switched to Firefox because of Googlea plans to stop adblockers.
I still prefer FF or Vivaldi over Google Chrome. Yes Vivaldi is Open Source Chromium, but at least it doesn’t have the Chrome crap in it.
Vivaldi contains Chromium, but it isn’t itself open-source, by the way.
They say of themselves that “for all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit”. I would not fully agree with that either, but I guess, at that point the open-source purists have already lost interest anyways.
https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-source/
It’s still the same rendering engine. There are two browsers.
3 if you count Safari
That’s like saying there’s only 5 games because they use the same game engine
You can’t compare games to browsers tho
I’m not comparing them, it’s an analogy
I didn’t know that each browser accesses different content on a different internet. I’ll have to check that out. /s
I tried Vivaldi, it’s a good browser but I prefer Brave because it has build it Tor. In my country most torrent sites are blocked so a built-in Tor is useful to me, it can open those sites without VPN.
Brave is also a shifty shady browser that has problems with inserting affiliate links without telling you and selling off user data. They’re really not better or remotely trustworthy TBH, you might as well use the actual TOR browser built on Firefox if you need that capability.
Yeah, I don’t understand how Brave became acceptable all of the sudden.
Did they do some big marketing campaign in the US or something?
They definitely did some marketing, because it came out of nowhere. When I first installed it, it was all over the internet, from YouTube to webpages. A similar thing you can notice with the Arc Browser. I couldn’t find any exceptional features on the Arc Browser but the hype is encouraging people to try it.
Yup, work in a call center and it was a huge ramp up all of a sudden with elderly clients on brave and asking why our site stopped working…
Also the android app is crap and keeps crashing, and their ad blocker is mich inferior to the glory of ublock origin
Is there a mobile Vivaldi counterpart? It doesn’t make sense for me that I can’t share history with desktop and mobile together
Oh I remember now, it doesn’t support extensions
Yeah, I use FF mobile for that reason but mostly Vivaldi on desktop
There is, but on iPhone at least it sucks. I love Vivaldi on desktop - every time I try something else I quickly give up. But on mobile I can’t endorse it at the moment.
Perhaps it’s better on Android though, I don’t know.
download Librewolf
Look inside
It’s Firefox but with good defaults and configs
:3
My opinion I’d say lose chrome if you absolutely need a chromium browser use thorium any other time use Firefox or a fork of it like Librewolf.
The reason I say Thorium is because this is in the readme.
Manifest V2 support force enabled (Starting in M128 they are experimenting with disabling MV2). It will be completely removed in M136 (10 months from now), and when they finally do remove the actual code for loading MV2 extensions, it will be restored, because F**k Google! Even if it takes a crapload of work, I am determined to restore it, because without UBlock Origin working properly in Thorium, I wouldn't even want to use my own browser!“guys ios is bad try android”
looks inside android: its literally bad
“guys try this fork of android”
looks inside: it’s better, i guess.
technology fucking sucks, remember when you could just buy software and that shit worked? Yeah me neither i use linux shits free over here.
Firefox and Forks, or perish.
What’s preventing me, a private user, from just creating my own web browser? it’s a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites’ server and display its files right? You can’t tell me that nobody else has ever wanted to make their own alternative, so why do we never hear about them?
Probably the fact that you could work for the rest of your life and never catch up to the current spec. It’s enormous, and they’re adding more things faster than you could ever keep up with.
Even MS couldn’t be bothered any more, and that’s a $3 trillion business.
Which is why there’s only three browser engines in any kind of use.
Well ladybird might be somewhat usable in many years…
It’s possible. But it’s a huge undertaking. If you just wanted to fully understand all of the specifications for HTTP, JavaScript and CSS, it’d take you days before having written a single line of code.
Then you need to write all that in a performant way.
Then you need to keep up with all the new features.
Then you need to keep up with all the new security threats.
Browsers nowadays are practically little operating systems. So the question is not that far off from asking what prevents you from writing an alternative to Windows.
You can. But it’ll cost millions, or maybe billions, to build something good.
I mean, we did it with Linux and it didn’t cost billions…
Just the combined efforts of thousands of people. Mostly in their spare time.
If you count the hours spent and developer pay, I’m sure it would. It’s just all donated by the contributors.
Many developers get paid, of course.
Reject modernity, embrace Gopher.
Look up geminiprotocol.net
Or, if you’d prefer, here’s a video overview
Because they’re giant applications that do a lot under the hood that you don’t see. Of course you can write your own, we did that during my degree but it was extremely basic.
a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites’ server and display its files right?
In software engineering “just” is often considered a dirty word.
Rendering HTML and CSS correctly is not trivial.
Doing JavaScript to spec also is not trivial.
Doing all your http verb network request stuff is also not trivial.
Plus the interface (probably graphical) is a lot of work.
There’s also probably a thousand other things that would eat up time. Displaying all the different image formats, for example.
Time and knowledge. Browsers are basically almost an OS nowadays in capabilities. Yes you can build a basic HTML renderer quickly. But anything beyond that just takes a enormous amount of effort and time especially if you want to make it performant and secure. Like it’s very easy to accidentally introduce a vulnerability that can be exploited by someone. Like the last few generations of Nintendo consoles were hacked and jailbroken trough the browser. And that’s a browser build with WebKit by a team of engineers. Good luck doing it on your own, especially without Chromium or WebKit.
there are a few projects right now working to accomplish this, servo, and ladybug/ladybird cant for the life of me remember it.
The main thing is technical nuances, and a never ending list of them.
But you could start with something like lynx or elinks, but at that point you may as well just use lynx or elinks.
That’s what Ladybird is trying to do.
Plenty of alternative to Chromium already exist, not all good.
thorium/vivaldi and firefox are cool
Vivaldi is chromium
Yep
I haven’t checked out Vivaldi in a long time due to the distaste of what happened to Opera and I did not see any of Opera in Vivaldi. Has Vivaldi captured the magic that was Opera 12.04 yet?
vivaldi is nice feature packed and pretty fast
Ugh just looked. It’s still chromium
proprietary, btw
Then mercury same dev as throium but it uses Firefox 123 (did not personally try it tho)
I don’t know what are you looking for but it is stylish.
But what about mobile? I started using FF and I have to admit that Chrome is a better mobile experience. Brave isn’t for me either.
Edit: lol I’m sorry my experience doesn’t match yours and I chose to ask a question.
Chrome doesn’t support browser extensions so it is an awful experience for me
Same, curious what issues they have in FF, I only know of a couple sites that don’t work right in FF mobile
I still use ff android, but it seriously annoys me that this bug hasn’t been fixed in 6 years https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1535985
I hadn’t noticed this and it will now silently bug me.
Thanks, I hate it!
Lol I didn’t notice it either but don’t miss it either, often the suggestions were more annoying then anything else, imo
Hey since we’re doing these, how about the years-old bug where ff won’t remember which bookmark folder you were in previously when opening new bookmarks. If you have bookmark folders (especially nested ones), try opening a bookmark inside one of those folders. Then go back into your bookmarks, you’ll see you’re not in that folder anymore, you’re at the root level and have to traverse your folders to get back to where you were. It’s super annoying if you’re opening bookmarks one after another.
Firefox has ad blockers on mobile.
That immediately makes the mobile web useable again.
FF mobile is slow
Running speedometer 3.0 gives me 7.68 for FF and 10.4 for Chrome.
That’s not an enormous difference and in real life usage the ads and cookie banner bullshit I can’t block more than makes up for it.
Welcome to Lemmy where having an opinion even slightly different from the open source/Linux fanboys grants you downvotes to oblivion, no questions asked 🙃
Thanks for putting yourself on the pyre to prove a point. Hivemind is worse here than Reddit imo, because at least Reddit has a diverse user base…
Yup, I totally agree. I’ve been in this situation a few times where I just asked a question because I wanted to know people’s opinion about something privacy or FOSS related, and got downvoted.
I have an IRL friend who went back to Reddit in large parts because of stuff like this. It’s pretty bad.
And I say all this as an open source developer
The Reddit hive mind behaviour is seeping through the cracks.
For me personally, the experience is allowed to take a hit, hell even a major hit, if the browser respects me as a user. FF seems to be better on that front although I’ll confess I use Vanadium on my phone. Its GrapheneOS’ default browser.
“Everyone that doesn’t share my specific preferences is a sheep (╯° □°） ╯”
Mull is great on Android.
Qutebrowser and (maybe, haven’t tried) Falkon can use qtwebkit as a backend
luakit, surf, otter, epiphany, badwolf, vimb use gtkwebkit
lynx, links, elinks, w3m, netsurf use their own browser engines
there’s also 😒 f*refox 😒 and its forks, if you need cancer like css, js, webrtc, or wasm
cancer like css and js
what kind of websites are you visiting that don’t use either of those?
Likely some old web tier stuff…
I can understand the objections to wasm and even JS, but CSS? c’mon bro…
If you’re not a fan of Firefox right now, with the few odd decisions they’ve been making, try Floorp or Zen. They’re quite good forks of Firefox and don’t seem to have any of the recent Firefox oddness in them.
I shall not stoop so low as to using a browser named ““floorp””.
Chrome is a stupid name too. Edge is a stupid name.
Both of these are existing words, though
Inprofessionality is important to keep sanity
Someone mentioned Zen on the endeavor forums the other day. I’ve switched to Zen Optimized as my daily driver and I’ve been pleasantly surprised by how much I like it. I’m not a keyboard shortcuts kinda guy but you do need to learn the tab manipulation shortcuts or it’ll drain your sanity right clicking on the icons to close tabs.
why floorp??
Not even an option.
What, because of the stupid name?
the devs are fucked
Well… I know it’s chromium, but I have to admit Vivaldi is easily my favorite browser. It’s got a bunch of fairly unique features that I just can’t live without. It’s got tabs within tabs, tab tiling, a whole side car for websites that you can display while working on whatever Web page you need (works great for social media, music, messaging). I don’t have a link, but maybe worth checking it out.
tabs within tabs
I use the Firefox “Tab Groups” Extension to get a similar result and I have to agree, it is so nice to keep order
I prefer the Firefox “Tab Groups” Feature actually because I feel it’s more comfortable / has a more clear separation AND:
It automatically freezes tabs and integrates with containers (kind of like browser profiles on Chromium but in the same Window)
Fair enough. I’m relatively sure that Vivaldi does the same freezing, however I haven’t seen documentation around it and I’m too lazy to look it up. I can say that tabs that haven’t been used in a while reload entirely when you switch to them.
But I do like Firefox’s privacy. Limiting cookies to only cookies from that website is a nice touch.
