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      There’s a good chance he really was innocent, but being weird around kids like that is enough to tank your career regardless, which is probably for the best.

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      What stuff?

      Please show us something, anything.

      Was he weird? Fuck yes. Was he a pedo: acquitted on all accounts. So hell no.

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        I mean you should know better than thinking that pedos being acquitted means something. If we have learned anything from Epstein, its that famous pedos and powerful people like to mingle.

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          I think we would have an easier time if we would start to have different words for people being attracted to children and for people raping children. That way we could say MJ was attracted to children in a concerning way but it is apparent that he did not abuse children sexually.

          If only there was way

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        Pretty sure some parents used sodium amytal on the then children now adults claiming he did something and prior they denied it

        Sodium amytal can cause false memories

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      Did he ever get convicted over anything? Even though i won’t say he was not a pedophile, is there actually any evidence that he was? Are people really that needy for hate?

      I had a roommate who was actually hating on me for listening to micheal jackson for that “reason”. Back then i sadly was afraid enough to even “associate” with a person “like that” via listening to his music. Pathetic, i know.

      I wish he was still alive.

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        Nope. And the kids all say he never did anything sexual. He was just a very talented strange guy with serious issues from growing up.

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          You recon those kids just say nothing happened to keep the image of MJ in a positive light? You know, because he is already dead anyway? So persecuting him wouldn’t do anything.

          Might have gotten some hush money under the table or something. So its a win-win.

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            If we start guessing and blaming we can assume everyone to be a child molestor.

            Oh wait, you guys are already doing that…

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    Are people still into arguing about what this dead 80s superstar did? I don’t know. I think it’s kinda baity.

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      Testimony from those around him and supposed victims go the opposite way. Film and music industry is full of a lot of pedos, but MJ seems to have done his best to shield them from it and make moves to distupt the process established pedos used to lure in victims.

      Think of how Wienstien used his connections to ruin those who opposed his rapist methods and now imagine how people with money, wealth and relative anonymity to everyone but those they have power over would try to get revenge on a public figure like MJ literally cockblocking them.

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        Definitely not the impression I got from everything I’ve read. The whole sleeping in the same bed with kids, keeping books with naked pictures of children, showing porn to kids (perhaps the most common method predators use to try to groom children), and the whole thing with setting up an alarm around his bedroom.

        Keep in mind that a lot of the information I’ve seen was from a Wordpress blog bent on defending Jackson in any and every way possible, and yet I still think the case they make is not really convincing. The author speculates about what “true grooming” looks like, and why MJ’s actions supposedly don’t fit their personal expectations of grooming. They also try to justify him keeping those books with pictures of naked kids as if that was a normal thing to do.

        Maybe if it was just one of these things it could still be justified as MJ just being weird. But it’s all off these things, a clear pattern of behavior and accusations for which the simplest explanation is that MJ was indeed a predator. What I can say is that if these accusations were directed at some random dude down the road I definitely wouldn’t want my kids going near him.

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          From the source you listed (because I have heard of the magazines but didn’t look much into it ag the time) the author posits that the two books that had pictures of children were a gift from a fan, and the second he includes an inscription from Jackson discussing the joy of youth he’s seeing in the images and that he’s sad he didn’t have that kind of childhood. Which, weird, but not damning to me.

          But I couldn’t find a credible source for the “showing children pornography” portion you mentioned, do you have anything for that? My impression so far has been ‘weird dude, if I knew him I still probably wouldn’t let my kids sleep over but I wouldn’t let my kid sleep over ANY adult’s house, especially not a celebrity’.

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            But I couldn’t find a credible source for the “showing children pornography” portion you mentioned

            It’s from one of the kid’s testimony in the first link (it starts with “Now, when you first saw the suitcase, where was it in that room.”), where he talks about how Michael showed him and his brother some porn mags. The first time he was hanging out with MJ while he was putting on makeup, and MJ picked up a suitcase with the porn mags and showed the kid one of the pictures. In the second occasion the kid can’t recall if he or his brother brought up the suitcase or if MJ did, but he says that they were all looking at the magazines together for “30 minutes to an hour”.

            Regarding the books specifically, it’s one of those elements that on their own could be interpreted as just MJ being kinda weird. We know the first book was a gift given the fan’s inscription, and it’s fairly reasonable to assume that the second one was a gift too. As the blog post points out the third book wasn’t brought up in court and wasn’t with the other two books, but it’s still reasonable to assume that it belonged to MJ. To me the way the blog author tries to “soften” the book definitely points to some bias in their part:

            The third book, that was confiscated in 1993 In Search of Young Beauty: A Venture Into Photographic Art (Charles Du Bois Hodges, 1964) which contains both boys and girls, mostly dressed, but some nude or semi-nude.

            If we squint a bit we could just chalk these up to MJ possibly being a nudist or being a bit weird. I certainly think it’s odd that he had books with pictures of nude children in them, and even liked one of them enough to inscribe his own message in it, but if only the books were brought up in court I certainly wouldn’t think that’s enough evidence to convict someone. But given the whole context and other elements of the accusations I’m not willing to give MJ that much benefit of the doubt.

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    was a modest extremely nice guy by all accounts

    Sounds like Anon is missing a LOT of accounts.

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    Because some parents mentally fucked their children’s minds with sodium amytal and gave them false memories

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    Michael Jackson is a good example of how being rich and successful can lead to behavior that just feeds into mental sickness. He probably thought being rich and successful justified his aberrant behavior and that he shouldn’t put himself on the level of those below him, until he eventually ended choosing drug abuse over therapy. His whole obsession with children can be traced back to his insecurities that he had been deprived of a childhood, probably in no small part due to growing up as as part of the Jackson musical group family. He must have thought he could relive with his childhood through someone else’s by using his wealth and power to create Neverland Ranch.