The smart thing is to vote early and avoid the ruckus the stupider people will inevitably create around polling places on November 5.
See vote.gov for details
If you have the opportunity, vote-by-mail is genuinely awesome also. I qualify in my state because I’m chronically ill, and it’s one of the few silver linings. I get a ballot in the mail every time an election happens like clockwork, I have time to do my research and it’s significantly harder to forget.
In California you no longer need to apply for vote-by-mail, they mail a ballot to everyone and you can either mail it back, no stamp needed, or drop it in any ballot box, or take it to any polling place on the day to hand it to a person.
It’s so much better to be able to sit there at a computer or on your phone, looking up the candidates for the smaller offices and marking them as you go.
And you can get phone notifications for when your ballot is received and counted.
Oregon too. There’s also a service where you just give it your voting registration details and an email address and it emails you:
- when your ballot is mailed to you
- when it is received back from you
Same in Michigan. Voters here passed a ballot initiative with a bunch of voting rights protections in 2022, and now you can sign up to be mailed a ballot once, and they keep sending it for every election if that, if you check the box saying you want that. It makes it SO easy to vote, especially for smaller elections that I ordinarily probably wouldn’t pay attention to
Isn’t it amazing how much more likely we are to participate in our democracy once the barriers are taken away?
It’s almost like the people whose wealth doesn’t depend on showing up to a job every day wanted to be the only ones making decisions.
It took a pandemic for the states to even try it, and some states have pulled it back.
Wisconsin’s been fun with voting rights restrictions. After the repeal of the repbulican drawn & super-biased districts that jerrymandered the state to shit, republicans have been pushing ballot measure after ballot measure to try to suppress voters, because if they can’t win by cheating one way they’ll find a different way to cheat
The MAGAs are attacking the election system in my state (Georgia) so hard that, at this point, I’m starting to worry about mail-in ballots being fraudulently thrown out because of false claims of signature mismatch.
If you do it early enough, it shouldn’t be an issue. I’ve had my vote thrown out because of signature and I just had to confirm it was me. Georgia is gonna Georgia though, they’re going to try stuff at the live polls too.
I voted in Colorado a couple years back. I had moved here several months before. I had all the documents to prove residency. 3 months after the election, I got a letter saying that a (conservative asshole) group had challenged my vote and it was thrown out, and was told I could go to court and prove I was legal to vote but also if I did so it threatened me with jail or fines if it didn’t work. It was 3 months after the election and it had all been counted already, so why tf would I do that?
Yeah, I plan to do in-person early voting rather than take my chances with mail-in voting.
Yeah I live in a state turned red by gerrymandering and brain drain (Ohio) and I won’t vote by mail because I’m not certain it’ll be counted if the legislature doesn’t like what the mail votes do. Our legislators love ignoring our votes.
This is automatic in WA state, and I absolutely love it. Never missed a local or federal election.
During covid my state allowed anyone to sign up for permanent mail in voting ans I love it. Wish every state had it. It’s so convienent.
people in America forget to vote?
A huge portion of people don’t think about it at all.
do they watch/read any news?
A large number in fact would rather consume entertainment exclusively than be informed at all.
See also: the American diet
Well, no. They might see 5 minutes of packaged and processed snippets a day and maybe glance at a headline, if they read or watch news it’s stuff like celebrity gossip.
Yes. Often. Our elections are sporadic and weird. And also on a Tuesday
ok ngl that’s pretty inconvenient on a Tuesday…
Yeah, major elections are always the Tuesday following the first Monday of November. Every year but most of the time it’s only significant every two years with President every four (it’s easy to remember because it happens to fall on leap years). Minor elections can happen three other times in the year (I think it’s the Tuesday following the first Monday of February, May, and August, but February and August are so rare that it was blatant election fuckery when my state had a ballot initiative vote last august). Oh and primary elections vary by state and party and are basically never on a major or minor Election Day but tend towards Tuesdays.
Oh and we don’t get off work for it. You can also be purged from the voter rolls without notice.
February and August are so rare that it was blatant election fuckery when my state had a ballot initiative vote last august
Fellow Ohioan spotted?
Yeppppp, thank fuck that attempt to subvert the will of the people failed. I hate our state government
February and August are so rare that it was blatant election fuckery when my state had a ballot initiative vote last august
Fellow Ohioan spotted?
Originally they did that because people would have to travel for so long to vote and it would give the candidates time to travel as needed, but we now can send information effectively instantaneously and traveling across the country can be accomplished in half a day by plane
It’s also a hell of a lot more convenient to fill out a ballot at your kitchen table. You can look up all those downballot no-names you have never heard of.
This is actually one of the reasons they are against mail in or drop off ballots. Educated voters scare the shit out of them.
Remember remember the 5th of November. Gunpowder treason and plot.
Sounds about right for ol Orangeman
Remember, remember this fifth of November
The insurrection, incitement, and plot.
I see no reason
That Donald Trump’s treason
Should ever be forgot.
I know of no reason the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot
Presumably he’s trying to rile up demonstrations at polling places themselves.
Demonstration, intimidation, physically preventing anyone not wearing a MAGA hat from voting… Potato potato
HA! Could you imagine if we all got together and bought red hats and Trump lost? There would be fucking chaos. The morons would be in the streets screaming about how they saw nothing but MAGA voters.
Eight years in and I’m still pissed about those fucking hats. I have this nice red cap that a friend gave me almost 15 years ago. It was custom-made, and has a starburst image that a third friend created… and the cap base is the exact same shade of red as those fucking Trump hats, so I’ve not been able to wear it in public for 8 years.
I had a coca cola hat that I used to wear. I gave up on it after the third person said they thought it was a MAGA hat at a distance.
When I was toddler back in the early 80s, I couldn’t say grandma because enunciation hard. So I said it the best I could. Phonetically, it was maw-gah but when I got a bit older and could spell, it was Maga. To this day I still call her that and so do my kids.
Why? Are you worried about offending some mouth breather?
You’re looking at it the wrong way. You’re keeping morons away from you.
Nah it’s a real thing. The baseball team here has red hats and you used to see them everywhere. You see a lot of team hats in not red now, it’s not about “offending some mouth breather” it’s about a person a block away seeing me in my red hat and assuming I’m the mouth breather.
They ruined actual red hats faster than RedHat ruined a linux distro.
it’s about a person a block away seeing me in my red hat and assuming
You’re not getting it. The person assuming you’re a trump supporter because you have a red hat IS THE MOUTH BREATHER.
Why do you care so much about what strangers think? If they assume then they are the assholes.
It’s asshole mouth breather repellent.
Yeah bro its totally a peace symbol bro. No way just wear it around town and anyone that assumes you’re a Nazi is a total mouth breather lol.
You’re free to feel however you want. I live in a reasonably sized city with a thriving arts and music scene, I’d like be able to go out for meals and drinks and go to various events and have conversations and interactions with people without their first impression of me being “ohfuck ohfuck ohfuck” as they struggle to read my hat as I walk by.
That they’d steer clear of a MAGAt doesn’t paint them as a mouth breather in this day and age; it makes them seem wary and like someone I’d agree with.
Nov 5th is election day.
Well, if that’s not foreshadowing. US Election Day = Guy Fawkes Day.
Trump wouldn’t know who Guy Fawkes is. US Election Day falls on the Tuesday after the first Monday of November. It’s just a coincidence it happens to be the 5th this year. My comment was mostly a direct reply to OP.
Why have it on a Tuesday? Why not on a weekend so more people aren’t at work?
Oh, yeah, that’s why.
It’s apparently a hold over from olden times when good Christian farmers weren’t going to skip church to travel to the county seat and vote. So Monday is a travel day and Tuesday is when you vote. Or something like that.
Voting day and daylight savings time are the two immutable objects in American life.
Edit: and both are catering to farmers. Those and corn subsidies are the 3 immutable objects in American life, all catering to farmers.
Voting day and daylight savings time are the two immutable objects in American life.
Unless your George W Bush, in which case DST can be rescheduled by 2 weeks and cause everything with automatic time changes but no updates to be manually adjusted twice a year…
Valid point. In my head I was speaking of the existence of DST, not when it changed. But I did use the word “immutable”, so I guess I’m back to 2 of those - Tuesday voting and corn subsidies.
NOVEMBER 5TH WILL BE ONE OF THE DAYS IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA!
FEBRUARY 30TH WILL NOT BE!
AND FEBRUARY 29TH IS THIS YEAR BUT NOT THE NEXT OR THE ONE AFTER THAT UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTION YEAR
Maybe not next year but there was one year, in one country. https://www.timeanddate.com/date/february-30.html
Is Trump on Twitter again?
Yes, elon reversed his permanent ban
And also Trump promised he’d never use Twitter again. So obviously he’s back on, despite the great success of his own platform
The $45 million a month Elon is giving his superPAC helps
*promised to give. Anyone following self-driving cars over the last decade knows Elon’s promises are worth nothing.
Did he not back out of that less than a month after he announced it
I hadn’t read that but I wouldn’t be surprised.
He’s not using Twitter, he’s using X
Hope that clears it up 🤗
Oh God, that emoji made me think of his accordion hand gestures. Was that the intention? It’s ruined forever
Oh god I see it too! Not intended, I just use that emoji when I’m being silly
He did that months ago. Trump just had a noncompete with Truth Social that ran out which restricted him from posting anywhere else.
The ban was reversed months ago, that’s correct. Trump just recently started posting though. Iirc his deal with truth social was that he could post to other platforms, but he needed to wait 6 hours after posting on trutg before doing so.
He’s waiting for the 6 month mandatory period to expire, when he will dump ihs DJT stock and make an absolute killing. Maybe finally become an actual billionaire.
Then he will be back on shitter full time. Payoff for fElon will be more users on his site, while Truth Social folds.
Even more of a coincidence is that the recent UK general election was held on 4th July!
The FBI do not care about you at all.
The FBI gives a shit because Trump has threatened to overhaul their whole dept.
When he was tweeting for his followers to amass and how it was going to get “wild” (from memory I think that’s what he said) on January 6th long in advance I was freaked out but everyone said that was not a big deal.
I still doubt anyone will see this as a big deal the second time :/
D for Dementia
That’s good enough for me!
Get ready for armed dip shits at polling stations across America
Blue No Matter Who: Vote like you life depends on it our whole entire world will die without a dem vote. Trump: November 5th (American election day) is the most pivotal OP: OMG TRUMP IS A TERRORIST, be very afraid!
This is reductionist, and ignoring the fact that trump is indeed, a domestic terrorist, regardless of whether or not the media has the balls to label him as such.
He has instigated an attempted coup, that failed, but only because they weren’t prepared or organized, not for lack of actually performing the coup.
And Nov 5th is the date Guy Fawkes attempted to blow up the English parliament, so I think the OP has reason to post the similarities here.
Downplaying trump’s ongoing domestic terrorism and violent rhetoric against his fellow Americans is just bolstering the fascist gameplan here.
The likes of Trump shows that America might be losing grip on it’s position as a world leader. It won’t though, if not only for the ridiculous military budget. But economically that place is increasingly moving towards Asia (particularly China). To remain at the top though, you need to have a stable political system. It doesn’t even need to be democratic, but a coup (or civil war even) is definitely not a stable situation. So, Trump is definitely not “making America great again”. It takes a lot to be actually thrown from the top, but other nations are slowly losing bits of respect or regard for America. Especially during the previous Trump term.
Agreed. We don’t have another “oops, we fucked up in who we elected to lead the most powerful nation in human history that could literally, not figuratively, wipe all of humanity off the map if he felt like it after a round of golf”, in us that the rest of the world will forgive us for.
The fact that trump was ever elected, and has been close to re-elected, and is still going for a third attempt, is highlighting that a non-trivial number of Americans are willing to bring the system, and the world to its knees, purely because they feel disenfranchised for not getting the leg up they assume they would because of their skin color or family history supporting succession in the south.
Idk what country you reside in, but mine (USA) was founded on being rogue, our independence was funded by robbing banks. The current system does not help, I haven’t met an actual Biden or Harris Supporter, it literally is only “fuck trump” support. You think you are making a stand against him, but the really sad part is for most USA people Biden failed so hard Trump is looking like a savior (I vote Chase Oliver). Meanwhile the media brainwashed you to call Americans terrorists for exercising their right to protest, literally the most American of rights 🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅
You are falling victim to isolationism and siloed beliefs. You believe because you personally haven’t seen or talked to anyone in the last 5 weeks who supports Harris, that they either don’t exist, or are exaggerated by the media.
Well, I’m a Harris supporter. All of my friends are. Everyone I’ve met in the last 20 days from plumbers to electricians to waiters have been Harris supporters.
So now what do you do with that data?
I can be both a Harris supporter, and a “fuck trump” person. They are not mutually exclusive.
You appear to be falling into one logical fallacy after another here.
Your whole pitch seems to be that think you’re patriotic for supporting an openly fascist party overthrowing our current democratic republic because one time, hundreds of years ago, we overthrew another monarchical/oligarchy government and established our current democratic republic?
Are you even listening to your arguments, or are you just spouting whatever right wing rhetoric you picked up on the latest red pilled youtube video? Because it sounds like you’re supporting a fascist dictatorship in the name of “free speech”. I cannot even begin to tell you the number of things wrong with that viewpoint, mostly because I’ve got other things to do today and I get the feeling that you’re mostly trolling. At least I hope. Either way, you’re not worth any more of my time.
I literally supported a third party candidate in my post and literally your whole last paragraph(and essentially your whole post) said nothing other than your wrong imma block you.
You also literally whitewashed a terrorist attack coup attempt and tried to literally elevate traitor trump over Biden, which is hilariously sad.
Oh no, they addressed the main point of your comment rather than focusing on a line in brackets that only served to paint you as not a complete trump drone. Grow up.
So everything else they said was right.
No, I’d guess that you’re literally a trump supporter and are feigning interest in a third party candidate to make you seem more objective somehow.
You would guess wrong, but keep thinking you know all about a person you small minded minnow.
Sure, we have the right to peacefully protest. January 6th wasn’t that. That was domestic terrorism. Notice how those people are getting actual prison sentences, versus the college encampment protesters who are all being released with out charges. People don’t die during a peaceful protest
Hey so Jan 6th was NOT a simple protest like you anti-freedom magats like to try to whitewash it as.
It was a coordinated coup attempt, perpetrated by domestic terrorists.
Anyone who supports traitor trump after that day is no longer an American.
🦅🤡🦅🤡🦅🤡🦅
Fuck Putin.
bro who the fuck let you on the internet, are you ok?
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No, and screw you for being so reductionist.
Yes, Trump absolutely sucks, but so does Biden and Harris, and I voted for Biden last time around. I think the FUD around Trump is a quite overblown (he’s dangerous, but not in a fascist sense, but in a stupid policy sense), and I refuse to join in. There’s no way I’m voting for him, but I also disagree that he’s a terrorist or that this election is any different from 2016 or 2020. He’s not going to pass pretty much anything in Project 2025, and while the Supreme Court does lean strongly conservative, they’re not going to let him get away with the worst of his plans, if he actually follows through (which I highly doubt he will).
If you live in a battleground state (this year, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin), then do whatever strategic voting you need to do. But if you live anywhere else in the country, voting your conscience will have a much bigger impact even if your candidate only gets a few percent of the vote (or less). Just like in 2016 and 2020, both candidates royally suck, and we need to signal to both parties that neither option is acceptable. But one of those two will win, so that’s why battleground state votes are so important, but the rest of the country is so incredibly unlikely to switch from how they’ve voted in the past that there’s almost zero risk that your vote for an independent or third party candidate will change the outcome of the election in your area.
I’m not voting for either major party candidate because it’s all but guaranteed that my state will vote the same way they have in the last 20+ years, with a >10% vote difference (probably closer to 20%). I find a lot more value in voting my conscience than throwing my vote away for a major party candidate when the outcome is all but decided for my state.
I’m Australian, and it’s not overblown
He’s already acknowledging he plans to go full dictatorship. He’s already starting with the “crooked, leftist” stuff.
What he’s saying and doing are literally parts of the dictator handbook and if he wins, there are severe consequences worldwide (a return to bigotry and empowerment of bullies)
The difference this time over last time is that losing the election ruins the rest of his life, so he has everything to gain by sowing chaos. If he can delay the count even, it’s hugely beneficial for him.
You have politicians internationally, his ex staff, ex Australian pm and even a right wing ex attorney general from Australia warning of how dangerous he is.
Russia gains through his win too because if he wins, then Trump will stop helping Ukraine most likely, which is possibly why we’re seeing so much manipulation online basically discouraging left wing people voting
He’s already acknowledging he plans to go full dictatorship. He’s already starting with the “crooked, leftist” stuff.
But he’s not. He’s a populist and a narcissist, but not an authoritarian. He said he’d “drain the swamp” in 2016, but he didn’t do much of anything regarding that during his presidency, he was much more concerned with cutting taxes and raising tariffs (i.e. things to make him seem like a good negotiator).
What he’s saying and doing are literally parts of the dictator handbook
Can you provide examples? Because what he says and what he does are two completely different things. He says whatever will get him attention, but what he actually does is usually quite tame.
losing the election ruins the rest of his life
That’s a bit hyperbolic. If he loses, most of the lawsuits will just go away because he’s rich and no longer a threat. He may get blocked from SM for a few years by court order and perhaps banned from running again, but he’ll be too old anyway to care. He has enough assets and influence that he’s not going to get significantly hurt financially, he can always file another bankruptcy if he gets into trouble.
If he wins, he’ll probably be soft on Russia and reduce aid to Ukraine, rattle some sabers at NATO to get people to contribute more, and continue Biden’s tariffs against China. He’ll probably also make some inflammatory “culture war” statements and whatnot, but not pass any bill of significance. That’s basically what he did in 2016, and that’s what he’ll do this time around.
So, here’s my prediction of the net results of a Trump win:
- less aid to Ukraine, resulting in a surrender of some territory and an agreement to not join NATO
- renewal of the TCJA, so more deficit spending
- “trade war” nonsense w/ China, which will cause inflation, which he’ll blame on Biden somehow
- some more deregulation, and perhaps a change of leadership in the FTC
- more strict border protections
That’s bad, but it’s hardly “fascist.”
And here’s my prediction if Harris wins:
- no change in aid to Ukraine, resulting in the war being drawn out a few more years
- TCJA expires and we go back to 2017 tax law
- “trade war” nonsense w/ China, but less severe than w/ Trump; not sure about inflation, but it’ll slow down economic growth
- some token spending bill that’ll leave us about on par w/ regards to deficit spending as we are now
- more strict border protections, but perhaps less name-calling than w/ Trump
Both will probably suck as presidents, but Harris may piss off fewer countries because she seems to know how to communicate respect.
discouraging left wing people voting
I don’t know if Russia is doing it, I think it’s just Trump trolls.
Please, go out and vote. All I’m saying is that if you’re not in a swing state, vote for the candidate you like best, which may or may not be one of the two major party candidates. If you live in a red state or blue state, voting for the minority party won’t change the outcome of the election, so you might as well vote for a third party or independent to signal to the DNC and RNC that the two options aren’t what you want. If you live in a swing state, vote for one of the two major party candidates because your vote could actually determine the outcome of the election.
Trump completely sucks, but voting for Harris won’t do anything if you live in a blue or red state, all it does is add to the popular vote, which means absolutely nothing. If you actually want your vote to mean something and your state is definitely going to vote for one or the other, vote for someone else to show displeasure with the options this year.
But whatever you do, go out and vote.
You forgot a bunch of things…
- He’s creating a culture of fear. He’s putting the families of people in danger by mentioning them, and verbally attacking them, knowing his followers will go after them including the families of judges. This is what criminals and fascists do… People don’t fight Putin because they know they’ll end up in prison or get attacked. Same thing here.
- Even when Trump got shot, it became immediately clear that he was hoping it would result in shootings on his side.
- He will very likely free the J6 guys.
- He is already aligning himself with people who can protect him like the proud boys. They know that if they follow him, he’ll protect them, and vice versa
- He has provided confidential information to people without clearance. One of Australia’s Bilionaires confirmed that.
- He has promised to close down various justice departments
- He has dropped numerous statements that he wants to extend the term a president can be voted in for… MANY MANY times.
- He’s once again calling the election a sham.
- He will put his friends in positions of power (again).
- Once again, HIS OWN STAFF AND OTHER LEADERS HAVE WARNED HE IS DANGEROUS.
- We have NO idea what is happening in the background either.
- It doesn’t matter how powerful he is… HE WILL go to jail. He has threatened and pissed off enough people at this point
I live here in Australia, and knew very little of president trump.
I LITERALLY saw 10mins of Trump on TV months before the election, and my first reaction by the way he was speaking was “he’s going to overthrow the election”. It took a foreigner like me 10mins to realise that shit…
If you watch his speeches now, his language again, is the same as what facscists use. He uses words like calling everyone crooked, etc, WITHOUT EVIDENCE. He calls the election a sham. Why do you think he’s saying this?
What’s disturbing is the number of people that is willing to say “oh, he’s a populist” or “he’s joking” when he makes statements. Yeah… He was joking about the last election being a sham…
I’ll tell you EXACTLY what I saw. I saw without context a guy trying to overthrow an election.
What I see now is a guy who has every intention to extend his term beyond the maximum and interfere with the next election to delay jail.
You’re going to need to cite some sources here, because those look heavily slanted and sensationalized accounts of what actually happened.
J6
On Jan 6, he wasn’t out there leading the charge or anything remotely close to that. He gave one fiery speech, then returned to the White House and watched everything unfold on the TV, and it seemed that he was excited because they were doing this for him. From the accounts I saw, he didn’t seem to be trying to orchestrate something, he was just excited to see so much support.
And yeah, he’ll probably pardon and free them. But not so they can overthrow the government or something, but because he likes their support. You need to remember, he’s a narcissist, not a dictator.
He’s once again calling the election a sham.
Of course. He can’t fathom that he didn’t win, because he’s a narcissist and all he sees are his rallies and yes men. He’s accustomed to being on top, and he likes surrounding himself with people who will suck up to him and do what he wants.
This is certainly dangerous, but he’s not driven by hatred or desire for power like Hitler or Stalin were, he’s starved for attention and he wants that again. I don’t believe he actually has a plan for the country, he just does whatever he thinks will get him attention. People like tax cuts, so he pushed for them. People like jobs, so he wants to increase demand for those. And so on.
That’s certainly dangerous, but it’s not fascist. He’s dangerous because he’s largely incompetent and makes rash decisions. That may work in real estate and other businesses he’s been in charge of, but it doesn’t work as President.
HE WILL go to jail
I highly doubt that.
And yes, he tried to overturn the election, and he tried to accomplish that through the courts because he truly believed he won and was desperate to prove that. I don’t think he expected Jan 6 to happen as it did, nor do I think he wanted to stay in power that way, because that means he cheated and didn’t win.
And yeah, he wants to extend his term beyond the maximum. But he wants to extend it by winning the election, not by taking it. That’s the difference between a narcissist and a dictator, and it what makes him both dangerous and less of a threat.
Regardless, I don’t have much power here, and who I vote for and who most people vote for will have absolutely zero impact on the election because only votes in 7-ish states actually determine the election. So whether I vote for Harris or one of the third party and independent candidates literally makes no difference in the election. The closest thing to actually mattering is the popular vote, and if Trump soundly loses both, I guess that’s more funny than if he wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college.
https://www.sir.advancedleadership.harvard.edu/articles/who-was-responsible-for-january-6th
Yep, how about from Harvard law school. It was incitement, and lots of people were injured. YES, he’s dangerous.
He doesn’t need to hold a knife to be dangerous. Many dictators and mob bosses work using threats and lackies to do their work.
And I’ve been threatened at least 3x in my life.
- Twice was "don’t you ever XXXX ever again, or else… " << Yes, thats a threat…
- The third time was a angry boyfriend (meth head) telling my long term ex (who I hadn’t seen in ages anyway), that he knew where I lived. I once found a fence post nailed to the tree outside my house, and I suspect it was him
I also intervened when a junkie held up a pipe threatening to hit someone in a road rage incident.
In all 4 of these cases, people like yourself will claim that they weren’t dangerous simply because they don’t directly say they’re going to harm the other person. But they were obviously intended to have life-threatening undertones which any reasonable person would back down from. No, it’s threats and intimidation.
Trump regularly highlights judges families and such, and it has the same intention
Again, he has absolutely been upfront that next election he’s trying to change things to extend his term and become a dictator, and he will only extend power to people who follow him.
Mob bosses will always be careful what they say. Even if you watch him speak, it feels like he’s an actor in the untouchables
There’s no way I’m voting for him, but I also disagree that he’s a terrorist or that this election is any different from 2016 or 2020. He’s not going to pass pretty much anything in Project 2025, and while the Supreme Court does lean strongly conservative, they’re not going to let him get away with the worst of his plans, if he actually follows through (which I highly doubt he will).
If you haven’t, you should read some history books from the POV of people who lived through the early to late 1930’s in Germany. Erik Larson does one from the POV of the US ambassador to Germany during that time, called “In the Garden of Beasts”.
Almost word for word, (with the non-relevant bits swapped around), exactly what Germans were saying about Hitler during that time. Nobody thought Hitler would do or go as far as the media and “alarmists” were signalling, and anyone who called it what it was, a plan to force Germany into a war rather than pay down their debt from WWI, along with the attempted extinction of anyone they classified as “undesirables” (started with Jews, and moved on to many other groups. Replace “jew” with “trans” and the similarities are nearly impossible to ignore); was flagged as being hyperbolic and out of touch and exaggerating what the Nazi party and Hitler were “Really” trying to achieve, or what Chancellor Hindenburg could prevent him from doing to keep his power in check.
Obviously everyone who thought the threat wasn’t real or being overblown was wrong. But it took years and years for them to be proven wrong. At every single step along the way, were groups of people saying “This time, this is the check to the Nazi/Hitler power struggle that will work and keep them in check”.
There is absolutely no reason that couldn’t happen again somewhere else. Assuming that there was something deeply wrong/broken with Germany that led to the rise of Nazism is the height of folly. It can, and is happening here, just as it’s been attempted in other countries since WW2 ended.
Do I like the fact that my choices are:
- Vote for a democratic party that keeps shifting more and more towards the right/center without gaining anything progressive in response OR
- Vote for a literal wannabe dictator who can and will give rise to a fascist party in America and hand the most powerful military in the history of humanity over to a certifiable narcissistic wannabe dictator who has literally, not figuratively, done and said everything up to and including “I will be dictator on day one in the office”, has never walked it back, and has never treated it as a joke, has already attempted one coup, refuses to believe in the democratic process (see disputing the 2020 election despite no proof) and has all the hallmarks of the next generation Hitler, including literally repeating parts of Hitler’s speeches as a part of his speeches.
I’m not super happy with option A, because I would like to see more change here, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to let option B happen.
Whether or not you believe that option B is a real threat, like everyone else in the world and most Americans currently believe, doesn’t matter to me. You being wrong about this doesn’t make me more right. And you are wrong about your views of trump and what he’s trying to have happen. But it’s unlikely any amount of evidence or historical context will convince you, so I’m not entirely sure why I’m typing this up, except in the hopes that someone else comes along and reads it and maybe it sways them towards acknowledging how great of a threat trump and the current republican party poses to the idea of a free and fair world.
I think you’ve been reading/watching a bit too much leftist media.
First of all, if you live in one of the 43 states that aren’t battleground states, who you vote for will not impact the election at all. That’s my point. If you live in one of those states (and statistically speaking, you probably do), you can safely vote for your preferred candidate without any worry about changing the outcome of the election. That is my main point here. Whether Trump or Harris wins the popular vote does not matter, only the Electoral College matters, and unless you think your state has a reasonable chance of flipping (i.e. if it’s one of those 7 battleground states), you might as well signal to the major parties your preference. Maybe they’ll look at that data for the next election, idk, but voting for one of the two major parties just signals that the choices are acceptable.
If you do live in one of those 7 battleground states, then you probably should vote for one of the two major parties, because every vote there counts.
That’s the core of my argument here.
I could go through and show how a lot of Trump’s statements have been taken out of context, or give examples of similar statements he made in 2016 and his complete lack of action during his presidency, but at the end of the day, I still think he’s an absolutely terrible candidate and is unfit for office. I don’t think he’s a fascist though, I think he’s just a self-centered man-child who craves public attention. He does court fascists though, because he wants them to support him so he wins, but I don’t think he actually wants what they want. He’s also really old, so he’s far more interested in leaving a legacy than taking power for himself. But none of that’s relevant because I agree with the underlying message, “DON’T VOTE FOR TRUMP,” I just disagree with the reasoning (i.e. name-calling like “fascist” or “Nazi” or whatever). He’s certainly dangerous, but not because he wants to subjugate minorities, but because he’s largely incompetent.
But don’t get distracted by any of that, I agree with the sentiment, I just disagree with the rhetoric. That kind of rhetoric just puts people on the defensive and strengthens their support of Trump, it does absolutely nothing to change anyone’s mind.
Who do you consider minorities?
It was labeled as a “Muslim ban” by Trump, his aides,[3][4] as well as his critics,[5][6] and became widely known as such since the ban mostly impacted countries with predominantly Muslim populations.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_travel_ban
Over the course of four years, the Trump administration set an unprecedented pace for executive action on immigration, enacting 472 administrative changes that dismantled and reconstructed many elements of the U.S. immigration system. Humanitarian protections were severely diminished. The U.S.-Mexico border became more closed off. Immigration enforcement appeared more random. And legal immigration became out of reach for many. All of this was accomplished nearly exclusively by the executive branch, with sweeping presidential proclamations and executive orders, departmental policy guidance, and hundreds of small, technical adjustments.
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/four-years-change-immigration-trump
Muslims certainly count, but the goal here wasn’t to persecute existing US residents and citizens, but to limit Muslims coming here, and I chalk it up more to FUD surrounding terrorism than a genuine intolerance toward a specific minority. We absolutely have had intolerance in the US, but it doesn’t usually look like travel bans, but internment camps (FDR during WW2) and the war on drugs (mostly Reagan, which largely targeted hippies and black people).
And it’s important to note that the Muslim travel ban was blocked by the Supreme Court (links to those cases are in the first link you provided), so there absolutely is precedence there for preventing anything like this happening. The executive can still block based on origin country, but not based on religious affiliation.
As for the second link, I’ll just leave this quote:
it removed 935,000 noncitizens from the country during Trump’s term in office, compared to 1,160,000 in the prior four years.
As in, Obama’s executive branch deported more people than Trump did. I’m not saying this to imply Obama was somehow worse on immigration than Trump, but to show that Trump’s impact on immigration was… limited.
And it’s important to note that the Muslim travel ban was blocked by the Supreme Court
Different supreme court, it’s now Trump’s and extremely corrupt.
but to show that Trump’s impact on immigration was… limited.
You’re going to have to explain that a little better. The kids and cages thing especially.
Different supreme court
Sure, but I would honestly be surprised if even this conservative supreme court overturned that precedent, because it was grounded in first amendment protections, which applies to everyone on American soil and to border control agencies evaluating visas.
kids and cages thing
I’m pretty sure that existed before Obama, but given the state of search engines these days, I don’t know if I’m going to be able to find something about it. All Trump did here was revoke some of Obama’s EOs, he didn’t really change any of the laws, so that nonsense was likely legal and commonplace.
The proper solution here is to pass laws, not EOs, yet nobody seems interested in doing that. And that’s a big reason I’m very disappointed in both parties right now, immigration is a major concern of mine (I want more, and the process should be easier), but neither party seems interested in actually solving any problems with it, they just pass some EOs to make it a little better or a little worse.
Fuck Putin.
Agreed. Not sure how that’s relevant though…
I do, and most non-idiots do. Change the script once in a while.
Finally. The brits burned down the White House, it’s about time they get some retaliation. And he may be immune in the US, but not in the UK, so we could solve two problems at the same time.
Didn’t they do that in 1812?
- And no, we haven’t forgotten about it.
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